Proposal for Paladins

**HumanJHawkins** · 09-26-2008, 05:32 PM

Many people feel that Paladins are gimped. So I propose the following for them: Make them more fun by following the PnP rules more closely.

To that end, any Paladin that completes 'Running With The Devils' by associating with a party that is willing to kill Eladrin, should have his alignment changed to Lawful Neutral and lose all paladin abilities.

**Mhykke** · 09-26-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by HumanJHawkins

Many people feel that Paladins are gimped. So I propose the following for them: Make them more fun by following the PnP rules more closely.

To that end, any Paladin that completes 'Running With The Devils' by associating with a party that is willing to kill Eladrin, should have his alignment changed to Lawful Neutral and lose all paladin abilities.

I was going to post a reply, but in the end, this sums it up quite nicely:

**Borror0** · 09-26-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Mhykke

I was going to post a reply, but in the end, this sums it up quite nicely:

He wants to make paladins better at what they are best at.

**Inspire** · 09-26-2008, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Borror0

He wants to make paladins better at what they are best at.

*Mashes Diplomacy Button!*

**hydra_ex** · 09-26-2008, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by HumanJHawkins

To that end, any Paladin that completes 'Running With The Devils' by associating with a party that is willing to kill Eladrin, should have his alignment changed to Lawful Neutral and lose all paladin abilities.

Uhhh... two things:
1) Eladrin are CG
2) The Paladin is not willfully commiting any act of evil, he is merely undergoing an act of self-defense

Also, if your talking about +Eladrin, I would run now...

**Uska** · 09-26-2008, 07:35 PM

This helps how?

**HumanJHawkins** · 09-26-2008, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Uska d'Orien

This helps how?

To all the people who didn't get it: It was a weak attempt at humor. I need to work on my punch lines. I forgot there were people who believe strongly enough in role playing that they might think I was serious.

Oh... and if you didn't get ti due to not knowing about the quest: You are forced to fight good creatures called Eladrin.

But to get further into it, you are not tricked into fighting them. It is they that are tricked into fighting you. So, you are put in a situation where you either choose to kill good creatures, or let them kill you. No paladin worth his salt would kill a good creature to save his own life. Thus the basis for the failed joke.

**QuantumFX** · 09-26-2008, 10:12 PM

OP: Welcome to Eberron. It's a place where a paladin can do some heinous stuff in the name of his diety.

**cm2_supernova** · 09-26-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by HumanJHawkins

To all the people who didn't get it: It was a weak attempt at humor. I need to work on my punch lines. I forgot there were people who believe strongly enough in role playing that they might think I was serious.

Oh... and if you didn't get ti due to not knowing about the quest: You are forced to fight good creatures called Eladrin.

But to get further into it, you are not tricked into fighting them. It is they that are tricked into fighting you. So, you are put in a situation where you either choose to kill good creatures, or let them kill you. No paladin worth his salt would kill a good creature to save his own life. Thus the basis for the failed joke.

I got it!

**Uska** · 09-26-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by HumanJHawkins

To all the people who didn't get it: It was a weak attempt at humor. I need to work on my punch lines. I forgot there were people who believe strongly enough in role playing that they might think I was serious.

Oh... and if you didn't get ti due to not knowing about the quest: You are forced to fight good creatures called Eladrin.

But to get further into it, you are not tricked into fighting them. It is they that are tricked into fighting you. So, you are put in a situation where you either choose to kill good creatures, or let them kill you. No paladin worth his salt would kill a good creature to save his own life. Thus the basis for the failed joke.

Dont know about your paladin but mine would kill a good creature if he thought he could do greater good by doing so and would try to raise the creature later

**Vizzini** · 09-26-2008, 07:41 PM

*doesn't get jokes*

Until, however 4th edition where you can be a paladin of an evil deity.

Originally Posted by HumanJHawkins

Many people feel that Paladins are gimped. So I propose the following for them: Make them more fun by following the PnP rules more closely.

To that end, any Paladin that completes 'Running With The Devils' by associating with a party that is willing to kill Eladrin, should have his alignment changed to Lawful Neutral and lose all paladin abilities.

**Uska** · 09-26-2008, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Vizzini

I completly agree with that Jhawkins. If you run more than once and understand by the end what you have done. You should never touch that quest again.

Until, however 4th edition where you can be a paladin of an evil deity.

4E isnt real dnd

**Memnir** · 09-26-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by uska D'orien

4e Isnt Real Dnd

qft

**Lithic** · 09-26-2008, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by HumanJHawkins

Many people feel that Paladins are gimped. So I propose the following for them: Make them more fun by following the PnP rules more closely.

To that end, any Paladin that completes 'Running With The Devils' by associating with a party that is willing to kill Eladrin, should have his alignment changed to Lawful Neutral and lose all paladin abilities.

Isnt there a stupidity clause, where the paladin that does something evil due to being tricked gets to atone pretty easily?

Anyway, make it the house P quest Purge the heretics. Paladins go in there with eyes wide open to exterminate the non-evil guys just for breathing.

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