cleric dv's

[k1dwizard]

Alright here we go, I have finally unlocked my 1750 favor, and looking to make a cleric. This will honestly probably be a healbot cleric. I know i know work work work, but with my guildies making lowbies again, it will help in the end game. He will be human, and i wanted to know. what is the most amount of dv's you can have, and the average amount of sp you can give? just curious, because my guys will be healing and giving dv's, I mean come on who doesnt want a cleric who is willing to buff, heal and keep your casters kicking till the next shrine.

[Dussty_Bottoms]

I have a level 8 Drow Cleric. With the Extra Turning Feat, a 20 Charisma( I think) and the extra turning I enhancement. Gives me 13 Turns(DV's) If i get to a 24 Charisma, that would be 15 turns and 2 more enhancement levels would be 17. I will most likely not put any more AP into the enhancements and may drop the one level I have now.

[cm2_supernova]

IMHO opinion, its a little bit of a wasted effort for your cleric to totally spec out in DVs. Considering that with a max DV build you're probably looking at 1 manna pots worth of spell points. I think maxxed out you are looking at about 25 -30 spell points a pop, with a high CHA, an item and extra turning feat you are looking at about 18 DVs.

However, if you put that high CHA into STR and get a good CON going, your cleric can be soooooooo much more than a healbot!

[k1dwizard]

ah, i see what your saying, im not saying im going to specifically spec for it, but i guess it was more of a hypotheticle. I mean i was a wizard on my first build, and through most quests i learned how to stretch my sp. I just want to know because on my builder, without specing for it, i was at 9 or 10 and only the 2nd dv 5d4 i believe. I do like to fight, but i have been jaded by a few different battle clerics. no names but my elite madstone run last night was amazingly horrible. finished, but man did it cost me. so ill be specific;

Hypotheticly how many dv's can a human have(dig the drow, but like the extra feat)
I got the spell points up to about 1315 without +6 item. does that sound right?
and i want to primary heal, but occ does not scare me. I know it sounds boring, but with my past builds some dullness could come in handy haha

[faldordadink]

well, the highest output is 7d4 + 10 spellpoints so anywhere from 17-38 sp and the most dvs I have heard of is 22, so 374-836 sp which is probably better then most mana pots. this is especially helpfull at end game when you often have 2 or more clerics in a raid averaging 605 sp every shrine is pretty awesome, mind you very few clerics will have 22, more likely in the 15-18 range I think but even 15 dvs is around 400 average sp. not sure if this helps at all just my 2cp

[k1dwizard]

22, that is an amount, and your right, is helpful for shroud and things, but 15 sounds reasonable, not to mentions just because it is the amount of a pot, doesn't mean it isn't worth saving the pot for the emergencies. I've had my tookus saved by dv's so i appreciate the thought of them. thanks for the input, and the 2cp can be useful on occasion.

[Future]

Right now at lvl 16, with enhancements I currently have 18 dvs on my cleric. I know my husband's cleric has 20. The higher your charisma and with enhancements maxed out you can get into the 20's. Although it is nice to have 18 dv's its tough when you have sorcs in party...with 2k+ mana...you don't fill them up too much, but it's something!
I'm sure with whatever you choose as far as enhancements, you will do fine
Good luck with your cleric!

[Zenako]

While you are cranking your potential DV's up, it makes sense to also crank up your DH as well. Sometimes you might find yourself in a group with no other needy casters and you can always find a use for other forms of healing.

WIth a good tank, you can often keep them going with just DH's on them. DHIII drops about 90 points of healing a pop. Multiply that out a bit and you can project a fair savings in spell points or wands/scrolls. IT also can reach places normal healing spells get blocked (like thru grates) and walls like in PotP.

Mid teens is about the sweet spot most end up at.

[Ringos]

I'd agree...if you are going the DV route, might as well get the other stuff that goes with it.

That said, my Clerics have 5 or 6 lvl 1 DVs. Why? Well, it's cheap to get them and more often than not, that small amount of extra spell points is enough to get you out of a jam.

[DoctorWhofan]

Trissa has 17 DVs level 3. Level 16 capped, 22 CHA, Extra Turning Feat and enhancements

EVERY caster I have played with was glad I carried them. More often than not, giving some caster Mana has helped them get us out of a jam or do some healing/buffing if I am out of SP. While mine will only give about 400-600 mana, ask any caster out there what they can do with that amount of mana, and they can figure something out!

Unlike the other Divine abilities, this one doesn't become less useful. I dare say at 20th level, people will be glad I have them.

And having all that CHA ihas helped my Haggle and UMD out, too!

So yeah, they are good. Don't ask me to turn though. Took Empower instead of improved turning. Maybe if they fixed it...nah! I like Spell Pen enhancements. Makes my Banishment work!

[k1dwizard]

nice! more feedback, now about the dh comment? are those based off the dv as well, or is that just a separate enhancement, and i know they heal over time, i suppose if going heal bot that would be a great way to go as well, considering most of my guildies love their hit points no matter how much they get hit haha.

[Zenako]

nice! more feedback, now about the dh comment? are those based off the dv as well, or is that just a separate enhancement, and i know they heal over time, i suppose if going heal bot that would be a great way to go as well, considering most of my guildies love their hit points no matter how much they get hit haha.

Seperate enhancement line. Note be sure to move your highest level enhancement to the hot bar for when you click it in play. If you only have DV1 or DH1 on the hot bar, even thou you have taken DVII or III, the effect will only be DV1. It is a pretty worthy use of Action Points in my opinion.

[Cashiry]

I have a lvl 15 cleric specd for turning:

36 CHA
28 WIS

Currently has 24 Turns

1440mps
290 hps

[Arkat]

Assuming you've only spent 1 feat on Extra Turning, 25 is the most.

17 ---- 3 + CHA modifier (+14 for 38 CHA)
4 ----- Extra Turning feat
4 ----- Cleric Extra Turning IV enhancement
25 DVs

If you get all the DV enhancements, each DV restores 7d4+10 (27.5 average) Spell Points.

25 x 27.5 = 687.5 average spell points you can restore.

My Cleric Tyrax has 25 DVs and they're VERY useful.

[shane1122]

Unlike the other Divine abilities, this one doesn't become less useful. I dare say at 20th level, people will be glad I have them.

And having all that CHA has helped my Haggle and UMD out, too!

The above are both very true. The newest high level content requires clerics to expend massive amounts of spell points (Shroud, VoD, and to a lesser extent Hound). Shroud, especially with an inexperienced group, and VoD have made it the "norm" that a cleric needs to carry 100 plus Heal scrolls at all times as well as a half dozen Major Pots, and a number of Res Scrolls. The ability to DV other Clerics, and Bards, helps clerics cut down significantly on costs. The very nice byproduct of putting some points in CHA is that the cleric can piggyback fair UMD and Haggle scores with little effort.

DVs, UMD and Haggle will all be useful no matter what the level cap goes to.
-Shane

[DoctorWhofan]

The above are both very true. The newest high level content requires clerics to expend massive amounts of spell points (Shroud, VoD, and to a lesser extent Hound). Shroud, especially with an inexperienced group, and VoD have made it the "norm" that a cleric needs to carry 100 plus Heal scrolls at all times as well as a half dozen Major Pots, and a number of Res Scrolls. The ability to DV other Clerics, and Bards, helps clerics cut down significantly on costs. The very nice byproduct of putting some points in CHA is that the cleric can piggyback fair UMD and Haggle scores with little effort.

DVs, UMD and Haggle will all be useful no matter what the level cap goes to.
-Shane

Agreed, too bad I didn't realise how important haggle was with my main!

[Durack]

I have a lvl 15 cleric specd for turning:

36 CHA
28 WIS

Currently has 24 Turns

1440mps
290 hps

Just curious how much actual end game "Turning" there is? not knocking your build just curious as to where it's applicable..Never seen anyone try but are the skellies in the sub -T even turnable??

[DoctorWhofan]

Just curious how much actual end game "Turning" there is? not knocking your build just curious as to where it's applicable..Never seen anyone try but are the skellies in the sub -T even turnable??

I think he meant turns for DVs.

[Cashiry]

Just curious how much actual end game "Turning" there is? not knocking your build just curious as to where it's applicable..Never seen anyone try but are the skellies in the sub -T even turnable??

I can rebuke them(run away), but not actually turn them.

[Durack]

I think he meant turns for DVs.

well aware that it's turns that give you dv's was asking if he actually was able to TURN endgame undead.. But then again I don't see too many highend undead in Tempest Spine ..