Could we please change the N/H/E lock?

[Drinkin]

Only thing is, this looks like a minor change to implement, unlike all the things you asked for (i'm not saying that i perfer this over what you said, but it will make a LOT of people very happy at relativly low cost).

I agree with the fact that it will make a lot of people happy. However if done incorrectly it will make an equal number of people annoyed. Also I added the two suggestions on how it could be done with out annoying me(maybe people agree with me maybe they don't). I think the devs do a fantastic job on this game. I think that instead of fixing ladders in ww so that I dont get stuck once or twice at lvl 2-3 is a silly thing. I'll overlook the small issues I want more content. Monks we're being talked about back in 2006 we didn't them till 2008. I personally would like to see more new classes and races before 2010

[Grinndal]

Favor is not something that should be easy to get. If you level up fast it should not mean that you then quickly get you 1750. No you have to bore the hell out of your guildie that has everything open on elite. I mean who really cares right now anyway? +2 tomes are not that hard to come by anyway. Maybe for a new player but They can get their 400 and roll a drow and then work their butt off and run everything on elite as they level.

[Mr._Dna]

I say make it unlock for quests 6 levels below char. level ONLY for accounts that have already achieved 1750 favor (it's a lot easier to get nowadays anyway, no need to make it THAT much easier).

[Megaton_Samurai]

Favor is not the only reason to run something on elite. Challenge is also a factor. Some people actually like a challenge.

I seriously can't believe there is any disagreement on this. To support the current difficulty lock system is to support pointless grinding. Period.

[Gtar]

Favor is not the only reason to run something on elite. Challenge is also a factor. Some people actually like a challenge.

I seriously can't believe there is any disagreement on this. To support the current difficulty lock system is to support pointless grinding. Period.

But we need pointless grinding because we don't have enough content.

Opening quest in the Harbour/Market is easy (or anywhere for that matter). The only ones you will have problems with is the horrible chain quests (Catacombs/Baudry) and the ones where NPC's port you (Kobald Assualt/Irestone Inlet).

Is it really that big of a deal to switch toons momentarily?

[Riddikulus]

Favor is not something that should be easy to get... I mean who really cares right now anyway? +2 tomes are not that hard to come by anyway.

Favor is much more of a grind to the casual player than it is for a well guilded one. Those who think +2 tomes are commonplace would have zero perspective on that. The only +2 tomes I have are two I got from grinding 1750... and I have zero interest in doing it again because it is boring and repetitive. Is that what this game is about?

[tihocan]

I personally like the current system how it is. It rewards players who don't focus on fast leveling but try to hit a wide range of quests as they level up. Also, it's a way for players to "earn" the ability to open quests on elite for their alts, so it's a grind you have to do only once, which isn't that bad IMHO (on new characters you just have to pay attention to quest chains, which isn't too difficult).

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I agree with X above where X is at the point where your base XP is zero... I think that is six above. Nothing more annoying than running a quest multiple times for no XP.

Agreed.

[Yabba]

I agree with X above where X is at the point where your base XP is zero... I think that is six above. Nothing more annoying than running a quest multiple times for no XP.

Like the Shroud?

I never, ever, ever run a quest more than once for no xp.

But then again, I'm not like most other players.

Having 2 accounts has it's own priviledges. I open my own quests and solo them elite first time.

Soon you'll all be asking that new characters come with the same favour level as your Max Favour guy as it's a grind to get Favour and the Rewards that come with it (bank slots/returning ammo/hp, etc).

[Megaton_Samurai]

I personally like the current system how it is. It rewards players who don't focus on fast leveling but try to hit a wide range of quests as they level up.

How is running only elite and hitting all the quests that way fast leveling? It's not some cheap way to level. You're still doing the quest and it's no easier doing it on elite just because you didn't need to unlock it.

I just don't understand. Starting at elite doesn't make anything easier or getting something for nothing. You still need to earn your favor and it's no more or less difficult if you need to unlock elite first. All needing to unlock does it waste your time and make it MORE likely that you're running quests for xp and loot and not for challenging gameplay.

[Gtar]

How is running only elite and hitting all the quests that way fast leveling? It's not some cheap way to level. You're still doing the quest and it's no easier doing it on elite just because you didn't need to unlock it.

I just don't understand. Starting at elite doesn't make anything easier or getting something for nothing. You still need to earn your favor and it's no more or less difficult if you need to unlock elite first. All needing to unlock does it waste your time and make it MORE likely that you're running quests for xp and loot and not for challenging gameplay.

But you don't need to run Normal or Hard to open quests on elite now so your asking them to change something that simply doesn't need to be changed.

[Megaton_Samurai]

But you don't need to run Normal or Hard to open quests on elite now so your asking them to change something that simply doesn't need to be changed.

Yes, I do need to unlock quests. I cannot do quest chains or quest giver entry quests on elite without doing N/E. I also can't do any quest on elite solo unless unlocked.

[Gtar]

Yes, I do need to unlock quests. I cannot do quest chains or quest giver entry quests on elite without doing N/E. I also can't do any quest on elite solo unless unlocked.

Which ones and are they worth doing at the appropriate character level?

People were asking that they have the quest auto unlocked when the xp dries up. I can open any quest where the quest giver is the entry point (kobald assault, irestone inlet, bounty hunter) with my lvl 16 and get no xp.

The only ones you will have problems with are chain quests and many of them are worth doing multiple times for xp at the appropriate level except for a few. Catacombs and Baudry Cartamon are two that come to mind.

Even then, I never have a problem getting someone to come along on the chain to open them as we go to get them done, and let's face it. Getting 1750 Fav is easy, even without the horrible chain quests.

So I say once again. If it's not broken, don't fix it.

The current system encourages team work. Something I'd like to think this game is about, even though with enough good gear, almost every quest can be soloed.

I have no problem getting 1750 Fav by lvl 12, so the system is hardly broken.

[impz]

Which ones and are they worth doing at the appropriate character level?

People were asking that they have the quest auto unlocked when the xp dries up. I can open any quest where the quest giver is the entry point (kobald assault, irestone inlet, bounty hunter) with my lvl 16 and get no xp.

The only ones you will have problems with are chain quests and many of them are worth doing multiple times for xp at the appropriate level except for a few. Catacombs and Baudry Cartamon are two that come to mind.

Even then, I never have a problem getting someone to come along on the chain to open them as we go to get them done, and let's face it. Getting 1750 Fav is easy, even without the horrible chain quests.

So I say once again. If it's not broken, don't fix it.

The current system encourages team work. Something I'd like to think this game is about, even though with enough good gear, almost every quest can be soloed.

I have no problem getting 1750 Fav by lvl 12, so the system is hardly broken.

I might be going very wrong (A new player always gets it wrong, so don't mind me), but I am wondering why everyone says that 1750 is easy to get? I am struggling to get to the 1000 mark at level 10, but perhaps it's partially my laziness and the lack of knowledge about quests in general. I should ask my guild members to accompany this dumb newbie. Or maybe, it's my inexperience but I am perhaps a "Gimp" in game terms that cannot handle many monsters without getting fried by them.

Maybe it's being a weak cleric that is causing the problem. I know I am going on a tangent, but I believe other than the extremely skilled players, it's not that easy to do what the veterans can do. It's like asking Usain Bolt whether he can run the 100 meters at 10.5 seconds and asking a casual runner whether he can run at that speed. I am pretty sure that the Usain Bolts in this game are not that many compared to the casual runners in this game. Of course, for the skeptics, I do not have any empirical evidence to prove my point. So, if you wish to nitpick about factual details, now is the time!

Anyway, I think the OP's idea is good because it is not like everyone will have "someone" to open the quest up for them. Many players, unlike the experienced and pro players in the forums, do not have a dedicated group of elite players who can run through elite quests solo while half drunk, eating tacos and watching "The Daily show with Jon Stewart" at the same time. In addition, some players might have problems engaging others to unlock quests on a frequent basis for them. A casual gamer like me would love to see the opening of elite after 6-7 levels above, with a favor count at 1000-1200 to unlock this feature.

Of course, one of the main cons is that some players will power-level their way to get 1000 favor, but then, they will power-level anyway. So, I do not see a major disadvantage, since those people who will do it would, but you benefit the other players who missed out on some quests and wished to get the favor instead of grinding the same quest thrice. I actually did that for a few long quests on solo (yes, I had the experience of doing so) and it was really so boring and painful. That's just my opinion though, and I am very sure that I might have a very different perspective of this issue when I play more of DDO.

Cheers!

[Gtar]

It's nothing like asking Usain Bolt if he can run 100m in 10.5 secs vs a casual athlete. The point is, the casual athlete can easily run 100m just as the casual gamer can easily get 1750fav. The time frame it's done in has nothing to do with it's difficulty.

Besides that, no matter how much you train, some people will NEVER be able to run 100m in 10.5 secs because of their physical inability. There's no such restriction in this game.

I can easliy get 2000 fav from go to whoa in 4 weeks, and that's playing casually. I've seen people create a new character and have it capped at 16 in 10 days. Some I'm sure have done it in less. Apart from real life getting in the way, there's nothing stopping you from duplicating that.

Whilst there's no good argument for not making the change, I don't really see a good for making it. I'd rather see them work on something else, because every time they fix 1 thing, they break another, and I'd hate to see some things break just because some people want quests to auto unlock elite when it's not needed.

Put up your lfm and include a note "Need Elite Opener". I've even joined quests just to help people open them.

And building a community spirit is a good reason for leaving it the way it is.

[impz]

It's nothing like asking Usain Bolt if he can run 100m in 10.5 secs vs a casual athlete. The point is, the casual athlete can easily run 100m just as the casual gamer can easily get 1750fav. The time frame it's done in has nothing to do with it's difficulty.

Besides that, no matter how much you train, some people will NEVER be able to run 100m in 10.5 secs because of their physical inability. There's no such restriction in this game.

I can easliy get 2000 fav from go to whoa in 4 weeks, and that's playing casually. I've seen people create a new character and have it capped at 16 in 10 days. Some I'm sure have done it in less. Apart from real life getting in the way, there's nothing stopping you from duplicating that.

Whilst there's no good argument for not making the change, I don't really see a good for making it. I'd rather see them work on something else, because every time they fix 1 thing, they break another, and I'd hate to see some things break just because some people want quests to auto unlock elite when it's not needed.

Put up your lfm and include a note "Need Elite Opener". I've even joined quests just to help people open them.

And building a community spirit is a good reason for leaving it the way it is.

That is a good "flip side of the coin" agreement. I am still more tending toward the OP, but I am still happy with how it goes. That said, this should not be a a priority and I prefer more areas, more fun and generally more varieties of quests that can involve more people. So, on that part, I definitely agree with you.

P/s: Oh, going on a tangent, I still can't jump after trying for so long. Cue for laughter. Anyone want to invest in "jumping boots" for this newbie perhaps? In fact, I died three times in Gianthold on my first visit due to my inability to jump "that **** crystal dragon." I pity the experienced players who wasted their time to save me and screw up their experience for the quest.

PPS: Gtar, I do need to message you to buy some wands from your Q-Mart. I keep forgetting.

[Elite_Raider]

So what this thread is really all about is, casual gamers want favor handed to them on a silver platter. You only have to grind for favor once and then you have your opener. Is it really that bad? Earn your stripes and you'll appreciate it more. If you can't open it on elite yourself, find someone who can. Is it really that hard?

If you're new to the game, it certainly doesn't hurt running every quest 3 times (once for each difficulty). It's called learning the quest. I doubt you'll know the quest after the first time you've run through it.

Casual gamers will never have what us power gamers have. Suck it up and get over it.

[Gtar]

PPS: Gtar, I do need to message you to buy some wands from your Q-Mart. I keep forgetting.

Hey no problem.

BTW Impz, if you need a quest opened on elite, I have most of them done and opened for when I'm running my lowbie.

Just last night, I was finishing off the Harbour/Marketplace and House D quests. The good thing is, I don't have to move from my spot in the market, for you to get into your quest of choice. I just have to be in the party when you go in. Boot me after you do and grab your 6th player.

Good XP in the GH side quests for lvl 10's, so doing N/H/E there is actually a benefit.

[cdemeritt]

Well, I'm almost sorry I even mentioned it. Actually, I'm not even sure why I'm running favor quests with the toon I working on, because I already have my 1750 on my main and since he has already had 5 of the 6 +2 tomes, and I could easily have the last one tonight if I really wanted, since I have more than enough plat on my other toons to buy it off the AH. However, I was just running the favor quests, and found myself at my favorite one to put off, "A Stealthy Repossession", and was thinking how silly it was that I needed to run it on N/H before being able to do Elite.
I guess this is no big deal, either way, as I'm usually a dungeon crawler anyways. Change it, don't change it, No Big Deal. I just think this would be easier than switching toons to unlock Elite

[BurningDownTheHouse]

So what this thread is really all about is, casual gamers want favor handed to them on a silver platter. You only have to grind for favor once and then you have your opener. Is it really that bad? Earn your stripes and you'll appreciate it more. If you can't open it on elite yourself, find someone who can. Is it really that hard?

If you're new to the game, it certainly doesn't hurt running every quest 3 times (once for each difficulty). It's called learning the quest. I doubt you'll know the quest after the first time you've run through it.

Casual gamers will never have what us power gamers have. Suck it up and get over it.

Dude!!!
A. You don't have to be a jerk to make your point! sheesh...
B. As to the point you so elequently made, even power gamers would perfer not to have to relog, it's just a pain...
Besides, there were a few good suggestions that will make you work for it the first time around anyway, so don't worry, you will still be able to feel "UB3R" if those are implemented.