Loot Rant

[Thrudh]

FYI

Grinding the reaver for a +3 tome is NOT the best way to get a +3 tome...

Do the Shroud instead... At your 20th, you see 6 tomes, and there's a decent chance that several will be +3... One of my characters got offered 4 +3 tomes and I had to choose...

However, one got zero +3 tomes, so that's possible too... BUT he got his pick of +2 tomes... AND running the Shroud gets you ingrediants, while running the Reaver gets you nothing (maybe a little cash, although selling ingrediants makes you a LOT more cash if that is what you're after)

[Stormanne]

Well, here's one that'll really get your cackles up. Ran Reaver last night, pretty standard run. Three members of the group are first timers. All three get a tome, two get a plus two tome, and the bard gets a plus three......

I, myself, haven't even gotten a plus one outta the reaver yet....and have ran it to the point on toon characters that I don't even get XP anymore(not sure how many total runs, but haven't gotten XP on the Reaver in more than six months...)

[Dexxaan]

What´s next?

I need a W/P Rapier...and should get one for every 20 RWTDevils on Elite??

Cmon guys drop the Tomes discussion.

If you want named loot go for it...Lady luck may or may not grant you a +3 Tome....deal with it.

If you work for it...you are increasing your chances of getting one....simple really.

[Riddikulus]

What´s next?

I need a W/P Rapier...and should get one for every 20 RWTDevils on Elite??

Cmon guys drop the Tomes discussion.

If you want named loot go for it...Lady luck may or may not grant you a +3 Tome....deal with it.

If you work for it...you are increasing your chances of getting one....simple really.

IMO it is just insane that people are grinding raids over and over again in the hopes of pulling +3 tomes, and this "special" every 20 list just makes it worse.

Again, I think they should just put +2 and +3 tomes in all level appropriate chests, not just the raid chests. Then people won't have to grind the same two or three raids over and over again (no it's absolutely not "work for it"... it's simply "grind, grind and more grind").

Wouldn't it be nice if they can actually go do other stuff without feeling like they are missing out on a chance to pull those tomes?

[Torilin]

If you work for it...you are increasing your chances of getting one....simple really.

Well Dexx for me its not just +3 tomes why should anyone have to grind out 100's of raids to get the equipment and items they want. There is one simple explanation, Turbine cant offer us enough content so they find a way to make us grind and grind and grind even though this game is not about the grind, and leave the reaver out of it, cause I like many just run this for the chance at +3 tomes.

Im now talking about titan and the belt or visions and both sets of bracers or hounds for the shields. Thats right ive run these quest over and over again for this loot but instead i get 60+ bard cloaks in 50+ visions runs.

Im also curious how a lvl 14 quest, lvl 16 on elite drops +3 tomes out of the end chest but lvl 18, (lvl 20 on elite) dont drop them at all. Just trying to hold the man down i guess.

[nbhs275]

IMO it is just insane that people are grinding raids over and over again in the hopes of pulling +3 tomes, and this "special" every 20 list just makes it worse.

Again, I think they should just put +2 and +3 tomes in all level appropriate chests, not just the raid chests. Then people won't have to grind the same two or three raids over and over again (no it's absolutely not "work for it"... it's simply "grind, grind and more grind").

Wouldn't it be nice if they can actually go do other stuff without feeling like they are missing out on a chance to pull those tomes?

There is a difference between W/P rapiers and +3 tomes. One can drop in basically any quest over level 10, where the other only comes from 3-4 possible sources. And the one that only comes from 3-4 sources is also bound...making it isnt a mobile item that could say be used on 3-4 different characters, then sold for 2-3 mil plat.

[Raiderone]

Get rid of it I say. No +3 tome at all. Unbalances the game period.
All tomes unbalance the game. All enhancement bonus stats unbalance the game.
Get rid of them too. Just leave the +1 tome and the one time +2 tome for favor.

Epic feats for stats are okay. No higher than +6 stat for any item too (crafted
or not).

DDO is unbalancing the game to the point that it's no longer D&D, but a variation
of other high stat games.

[dsp]

I got booted from vision of destruction because of the stupid lag this game is lousy with, instead of changing quests so that nobody runs them anymore cause they are stupid money and equipment pits "Abbot". Fix the game, it has more bugs than a third world nation. You call a gamemaster not that it matters if they are senior or not, they're too busy telling you that they can't do anything to help...put you back in a quest while your whole party is still in it. Give them some abilities to help or get them gone. the 30% off the top in the AH is just thievery thats why people sell directly or go to plat farmers, let's try actually fixing something during the next fix.

[Riddikulus]

There is a difference between W/P rapiers and +3 tomes. One can drop in basically any quest over level 10, where the other only comes from 3-4 possible sources. And the one that only comes from 3-4 sources is also bound...making it isnt a mobile item that could say be used on 3-4 different characters, then sold for 2-3 mil plat.

There's no reason you couldn't make them bind from regular chests.

My point is that it isn't healthy for the game to have a large chunk of it's high level population just running the same 3-4 quests repeatedly in the hopes of getting +2 or +3 tomes. That's just a recipe for burnout. Put those tomes (at no higher of a drop rate of course) in all chests of the appropriate level and then people won't be tied to just those raids.

[QuantumFX]

heh, you have a strange definition of the word casual...

You'll notice I mentioned 4 raids. (Reaver, Shroud, VoD and Hound) 2 of which are "flag and forget" and 2 that are "no flag required". Run each once a week for 20 weeks. Nowadays you're talking 3 hours playtime for all 4 raids. That's a friday evening.

If the "full list" option were in play then they would have access to at least 4 +3 stat tomes.

[Thrudh]

You'll notice I mentioned 4 raids. (Reaver, Shroud, VoD and Hound) 2 of which are "flag and forget" and 2 that are "no flag required". Run each once a week for 20 weeks. Nowadays you're talking 3 hours playtime for all 4 raids. That's a friday evening.
If the "full list" option were in play then they would have access to at least 4 +3 stat tomes.

[emphasis mine]

Let me rephrase... you have an INSANE definition of "casual" if you think a casual gamer is going to run all 4 raids in THREE hours.

Now you're right that they might be able to do all four raids over the week... but that's probably 3 full nights... Reaver is only raid that is quick and easy for the casual gamer....

I still see plenty of Shroud PUG runs that take 90 minutes to complete, not counting the time it takes to get a group together... Hound runs still fail in PUGs... although it can be quick... leaving time for a casual gamer to do another quest the same night if they're lucky enough to find a good group... As for VoD runs, I don't see very many of those up...

If a casual gamer is playing 3-4 nights a week, he/she is NOT going to enjoy doing NOTHING but repeating the same raids over and over....

Anyhow, I'm ONLY for a full list of raid items... Not tomes... those should remain rare...

(By the way... you insane grinders... you know someday they'll have +4 and probably +5 tomes... and all these hours of grinding will have been totally wasted...)