Loot Rant

[nbhs275]

Can you PLEASE just make the god forsaken 20th run end reward list a COMPLETE list? Im at over 240 reaver completions between 6 characters...AND i still havent been offered a single tome, nevermind any tome i would actually need or want. Which is rather strange "random" odds when i consider that every list has included the madstones, a tenderizer, a dreamspitter, and a cloudburst.

Right now it seems like your giving us a "random 50% chance" that is actually 95% one list of **** that your most likely going to have all of considering you've now run the stupid raid 20/40/60/80 times, with a 5% chance of one or two tomes being slid in.

[icculus]

Agreed - fix it!

[Torosar]

Well, how often do bound tomes get looted from the chest comparatively to named loot items? Not very often right? So it would seem there is some sort of seperate scale for getting tomes.. and really, it makes sense for it to be upheld in a 20th run reward list. Even though it's fairly frustrating, and has unfortunately irked some players i know (along with other things) to leave the game. Admittedly, the chances of getting a tome on the reaver list do seem sort of low (maybe because it's so easy - who knows).. but i don't think a complete loot list is the solution.

[Amabel]

I agree it's frustrating. But the problem is that if we KNEW we'd get a complete loot list we'd just keep grinding until every capped character on the server had +3 in every stat, further widening gap between the regular and casual gamers, making it even harder to balance content.

So, while I understand your frustrations:

/not signed

[ThrasherGT]

Sorry about Your bad luck, But I have to disagree. I could, however, see doing the full list (including all tomes) as a reward for completing 100 Reaver runs. Sure, it's a huge number, but anything less is too much of an "easy button" for raid loot. I would set the number for each raid individually, but I would make the number very high for the full list reward..........................

[llevenbaxx]

Would like to see a complete list at 20 and only 20. Then have it go back to the .0045(or w/e)% chance at 40...60 etc... would be nice.

...or like someone proposed in another thread, allow us to trade a bound tome in for another of a type we can actually use. Makes sense considering its supposed to be a reward... implying it should actually be something we might want.

[MageLL]

Somewhat off subject here, but seeing that you mentioned you've done reaver 240 times I thought of something.

The idea of offering a 20th reward was pretty good of an idea from a development standpoint. Now that its been implemented for awhile the side-effect of statements like yours just sound horrible from a games standpoint.

If I was looking at trying a game and saw that somebody ran a certain quest 240 times and still didn't get the item that is supposed to drop in there I'd probably pass on the game. The other thing it says to me is that there must not be alot of stuff to do if somebody has run the same quest that many times... for whatever reason.

[Laith]

i find it interesting that people believe the easiest and shortest raid in the game should spit up some of the game's most coveted awards when run ad nausium.

It's a loot run. If tomes were easier to get, it'd be THE loot run.

[Shagn]

Somewhat off subject here, but seeing that you mentioned you've done reaver 240 times I thought of something.

The idea of offering a 20th reward was pretty good of an idea from a development standpoint. Now that its been implemented for awhile the side-effect of statements like yours just sound horrible from a games standpoint.

If I was looking at trying a game and saw that somebody ran a certain quest 240 times and still didn't get the item that is supposed to drop in there I'd probably pass on the game. The other thing it says to me is that there must not be alot of stuff to do if somebody has run the same quest that many times... for whatever reason.

++!!

Full list, including tomes at 100 completions. That is a serious sink of time (including raid timer), even if it is "just a loot run" as so many people say it is. I don't think there is any reason for a single character to complete a raid 100 times and still get stiffed.

To the posters griping about people would like a little better chance for a tome: You want to talk about low hanging fruit? How about the old +2 tome at 1750? Much easier than running Reaver 100 times! And +2 tomes were super rare when that came out (even more so than +3 tomes are today).

[Dexxaan]

Sorry about Your bad luck, But I have to disagree. I could, however, see doing the full list (including all tomes) as a reward for completing 100 Reaver runs. Sure, it's a huge number, but anything less is too much of an "easy button" for raid loot. I would set the number for each raid individually, but I would make the number very high for the full list reward..........................

Full list I´d Agree. But I don´t agree that this "List" should include +3 Tomes..... the full list of Named Items on your 20th / 40th, etc should be implemented, but +3 Tomes are random items and should be considered as such.....

Maybe, just maybe one (and no more) +3 Tome (random) should be included on the 20/40 ++ run reward List to help the Disgruntled aim for something.

i find it interesting that people believe the easiest and shortest raid in the game should spit up some of the game's most coveted awards when run ad nausium.

It's a loot run. If tomes were easier to get, it'd be THE loot run.

/ Agreed.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Can you PLEASE just make the god forsaken 20th run end reward list a COMPLETE list? Im at over 240 reaver completions between 6 characters...AND i still havent been offered a single tome, nevermind any tome i would actually need or want. Which is rather strange "random" odds when i consider that every list has included the madstones, a tenderizer, a dreamspitter, and a cloudburst.

Right now it seems like your giving us a "random 50% chance" that is actually 95% one list of **** that your most likely going to have all of considering you've now run the stupid raid 20/40/60/80 times, with a 5% chance of one or two tomes being slid in.

I'd rather they make the 1st a complete list to improve the NEW PLAYER EXPERIENCE. Many people will NEVER get to 240 reaver completions in their lifetime. Many will never hit 20. Lets give something nice to new players and casual players that will also be equally nice/helpful to grinders.

Or are you saying every 20th completion should be a complete list? If so, I'd say no to that... that just gives a nice little overpowering option to the grinders that will further upset game balance.

[Dexxaan]

I'd rather they make the 1st a complete list to improve the NEW PLAYER EXPERIENCE. Many people will NEVER get to 240 reaver completions in their lifetime. Many will never hit 20. Lets give something nice to new players and casual players that will also be equally nice/helpful to grinders.

Or are you saying every 20th completion should be a complete list? If so, I'd say no to that... that just gives a nice little overpowering option to the grinders that will further upset game balance.

Can we define if Complete List is Named Items or are +3 Tomes being considered "List Items" ?

Major difference here depending on he definition.

[Riddikulus]

IMO they should make all named items available every 20 runs... but not tomes. Those should remain as a special drop. That said I think it is silly that the better tomes only drop in raids... they should drop from any level appropriate quest. Them you wont have people grinding hundreds of reaver runs... that is just beyond bad for the game.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Can we define if Complete List is Named Items or are +3 Tomes being considered "List Items" ?

Major difference here depending on he definition.

They mean including the +3s, that seems to be what most grinders grind for.

[seldarin]

Can you PLEASE just make the god forsaken 20th run end reward list a COMPLETE list? Im at over 240 reaver completions between 6 characters...AND i still havent been offered a single tome, nevermind any tome i would actually need or want. Which is rather strange "random" odds when i consider that every list has included the madstones, a tenderizer, a dreamspitter, and a cloudburst.

Right now it seems like your giving us a "random 50% chance" that is actually 95% one list of **** that your most likely going to have all of considering you've now run the stupid raid 20/40/60/80 times, with a 5% chance of one or two tomes being slid in.

Call me a crazy cracker, but even in PnP tomes are considered rare items, so they shouldnt be any different in DDO. Hasnt the "i want my +3 tome" thread been done to death already. Give it a break already, is the +1 to your stat going to be THAT GAME BREAKING? I gotta say if your toon is that geared that it makes that huge a difference, i would seriously look at the build. Tomes are nice things to get, but if they were dropping like hotcakes then ppl would find something else to ***** about, ie, lack of content, thats the usual one that follows tome droppage.

Sooner or later you will get one.

Dunno about anyone else but im up to my ears in threads about tomes not dropping, almost as if it was an expectation. Take away the carrot/cheese and the rabbit/mouse dont dance no more

[Dexxaan]

They mean including the +3s, that seems to be what most grinders grind for.

Named Items I agree wholeheartedly. Tomes are rare Drops....no need to start demanding a right to have one every 20....ridiculous.

Call me a crazy cracker, but even in PnP tomes are considered rare items, so they shouldnt be any different in DDO. Hasnt the "i want my +3 tome" thread been done to death already. Give it a break already, is the +1 to your stat going to be THAT GAME BREAKING? I gotta say if your toon is that geared that it makes that huge a difference, i would seriously look at the build. Tomes are nice things to get, but if they were dropping like hotcakes then ppl would find something else to ***** about, ie, lack of content, thats the usual one that follows tome droppage.

Sooner or later you will get one.

Dunno about anyone else but im up to my ears in threads about tomes not dropping, almost as if it was an expectation. Take away the carrot/cheese and the rabbit/mouse dont dance no more

You Crazy Cracker! (You asked for it)

/agree 100%.

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[nbhs275]

Call me a crazy cracker, but even in PnP tomes are considered rare items, so they shouldnt be any different in DDO. Hasnt the "i want my +3 tome" thread been done to death already. Give it a break already, is the +1 to your stat going to be THAT GAME BREAKING? I gotta say if your toon is that geared that it makes that huge a difference, i would seriously look at the build. Tomes are nice things to get, but if they were dropping like hotcakes then ppl would find something else to ***** about, ie, lack of content, thats the usual one that follows tome droppage.

Sooner or later you will get one.

Dunno about anyone else but im up to my ears in threads about tomes not dropping, almost as if it was an expectation. Take away the carrot/cheese and the rabbit/mouse dont dance no more

In pnp, you can simply get someone to cast wish multiple times. Consider that we are nearly lvl 17(the level you first get access to wish/miracle) yet we are still having to spend hundreds of hours trying to get 1 +3 tome...While in PnP at lvl 17 your parties wizard would take a few weeks and a stack of cash and make a dozen scrolls of it an boom done.

Also, yea, the difference of between a +2 wisdom tome and a +3 wisdom tome is rather big, when you consider that it basically lets a cleric free up 6 action point if it brings them to an odd number. 6 action points of 64 is rather large i would say.

[Belwaar]

Call me a crazy cracker, but even in PnP tomes are considered rare items, so they shouldnt be any different in DDO. Hasnt the "i want my +3 tome" thread been done to death already. Give it a break already, is the +1 to your stat going to be THAT GAME BREAKING? I gotta say if your toon is that geared that it makes that huge a difference, i would seriously look at the build. Tomes are nice things to get, but if they were dropping like hotcakes then ppl would find something else to ***** about, ie, lack of content, thats the usual one that follows tome droppage.

Sooner or later you will get one.

Dunno about anyone else but im up to my ears in threads about tomes not dropping, almost as if it was an expectation. Take away the carrot/cheese and the rabbit/mouse dont dance no more

/signed and agreed!

I like that they're still so rare... It's the best feeling when you pull a tome, regardless of +1, +2, +3, etc...at least I get excited when I pull one

[seldarin]

Named Items I agree wholeheartedly. Tomes are rare Drops....no need to start demanding a right to have one every 20....ridiculous.



You Crazy Cracker! (You asked for it)

/agree 100%.

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Lol, true enough i did, and thank you for granting my wish

[Dirac]

I'd rather they make the 1st a complete list to improve the NEW PLAYER EXPERIENCE. Many people will NEVER get to 240 reaver completions in their lifetime. Many will never hit 20. Lets give something nice to new players and casual players that will also be equally nice/helpful to grinders.

Or are you saying every 20th completion should be a complete list? If so, I'd say no to that... that just gives a nice little overpowering option to the grinders that will further upset game balance.

This is/was a spectacular idea. I, MT and others supported it strongly when the raid loot changes were being made. If they are going to change anything now, which I kinda doubt, they should make this change.