I Need a Rogue Build...

[Bashfyl]

So I played this game a while ago, but stopped for almost a year, and started playing again just a few days ago. I really want to play a rogue, but I've read a lot of hate about rogues (I was always that squishy guy who used Sneak attack then ran in a circle praying the fighter would pull aggro )

I only reactivated 1 account and I don't even have drow... so I would really like some help on making a good rogue that can do all the trap stuff and have good dps and hp. Please no twinking, like assuming tomes at level 1 (I saw one post that included 5 +2 tomes at level 1! ) So any help on a 28-point build rogue that won't be a burden to the party would be greatly appreciated. I was thinking halfling for the sneak attack enhancements, or dwarf for more hps.... Thanks.

[Samadhi]

So I played this game a while ago, but stopped for almost a year, and started playing again just a few days ago. I really want to play a rogue, but I've read a lot of hate about rogues (I was always that squishy guy who used Sneak attack then ran in a circle praying the fighter would pull aggro )

I only reactivated 1 account and I don't even have drow... so I would really like some help on making a good rogue that can do all the trap stuff and have good dps and hp. Please no twinking, like assuming tomes at level 1 (I saw one post that included 5 +2 tomes at level 1! ) So any help on a 28-point build rogue that won't be a burden to the party would be greatly appreciated. I was thinking halfling for the sneak attack enhancements, or dwarf for more hps.... Thanks.

Here are two possibilities:

Dwarf:
16, 8, 16, 14, 8, 12 (level up points into str)
Being a high con dwarf, and taking toughness, will equal lots of HP for this build. Also, using str will let you skip weapon finesse and, if u take even one splash class, give you more weapon choices - which is very nice for a new player. Max cha will also let you use UMD weapons pretty easily at the higher levels. 14 intel is really a little overkill for a rogue, but it isn't bad, and will let you easily keep everything important maxed and invest a bit elsewhere. I would also recommend keeping diplomacy maxed, because this build will do a lot of damage, and really only has HP as a defense.

Halfling:
12, 18, 14, 14, 8, 8 (level up points into dex)
Dex build here, but a lot of AC potential. I would use a shield, and even grab combat expertise at higher level for some excellent AC and, being halfling, saves as well. Cha is a little lower, so it will be a little longer before your UMD really blossoms, but this build has definite strengths. You will have massize sneak attack damage from your enhancements, so you are hurt less from being a dex build than other races would be. And, if you ever decide that you want to switch to TWF (the current flavor of the month that will probably be adjusted soon), you will have the dex to easily do so.

[Bashfyl]

I think i like the halfling, but the hp of dwarf is somewhat alluring.... Do you think the dwarf would be decent with 10 dex and maybe lower int or cha? i don't like the idea of -1 to dex for a rogue....

[Samadhi]

I think i like the halfling, but the hp of dwarf is somewhat alluring.... Do you think the dwarf would be decent with 10 dex and maybe lower int or cha? i don't like the idea of -1 to dex for a rogue....

how about 14, 16, 16, 14, 8, 6 - level up points into dex. You would still have all the dwarf toughness bonuses, but the AC and attacking style of a typical rogue

[DasLurch]

Here's a different build for you...

Human Rogue

STATS: (starting value/buffed end values, no tomes used)
Str- 14/25 (+1 enhancement, +4 levels, +6item)
Dex- 12/22 (+4 enhancements, +6item)
Con- 14/20 (+6item)
Int- 14/20 (+6item)
Wis- 8/14 (+6 item)
Cha- 14/20 (+6 item)

This is a Str based build, so the feats will reflect that...

Feats:
Lev 1- Toughness
Lev 1 human bonus- Force of Personality
Lev 3- Exotic Proficency: Khopesh
Lev 6- Power Attack
Lev 9- Skill Focus UMD
Lev 10 Rogue Bonus- Improved Evasion
Lev 12- Improved Critical: Slashing
Lev 13 Rogue Bonus- Slippery Mind
Lev 15- IC: Pierce
Lev 16 Rogue Bonus- Skill Mastery

Other feats to consider in your build depending on your playstyle would be the 2 weapon fighting feats, Shield Proficiency, Combat Expertise, Cleave, Dodge, and Luck of Heroes.

Skills should not be a problem with the human bonus points and Starting Int of 14. Max out the normal skills of DD, OL, UMD, balance, jump, search, spot, and haggle. Maybe diplomacy or bluff to fill out the rest of the points. I'm tired and not going to do all the math

This build is focused on strength to attack, having a strong UMD skill for all sorts of scrolling spells and wands, and decent sneak attack damage. As with all 28 point builds that don't include tomes and equipment, some things will be lowwer than one would prefer (like the end game HP). Some of those issues can be fixed with items (the HP problems can be helped out with a *** of greater false life item and a shroud HP item), a high + weapon, and scrolls (displacement scrolls to help out the AC issue). It's not perfect, because no build is (especially Rogues ), so be careful when trying to "pull aggro" because sneak attack is your bread and butter here.

I hope all goes well, and have fun out there

[CSFurious]

if i were going to roll a rogue today, this is how i rank the races

(1) halfling (rogues are their fav class for a reason, i.e., you want to lead kill counts, go half assassin)

(2) dwarf (i need lots of hitpoints, good str-based thug rogue)

(3) drow (int, dex & chr bonuses, i.e., the poor man's 32-pointer & would be a good assassin)

(4) human (jack of all trades)

other races would not even bother

unless you have 32-pointers, if you want to be the best, go DROW

[iruka41]

So I played this game a while ago, but stopped for almost a year, and started playing again just a few days ago. I really want to play a rogue, but I've read a lot of hate about rogues (I was always that squishy guy who used Sneak attack then ran in a circle praying the fighter would pull aggro )

I only reactivated 1 account and I don't even have drow... so I would really like some help on making a good rogue that can do all the trap stuff and have good dps and hp. Please no twinking, like assuming tomes at level 1 (I saw one post that included 5 +2 tomes at level 1! ) So any help on a 28-point build rogue that won't be a burden to the party would be greatly appreciated. I was thinking halfling for the sneak attack enhancements, or dwarf for more hps.... Thanks.

Starting WIS of 14, 1 level of monk, along with Combat Expertise.
+10 AC w/o much effort.
No more squisy Rogues.
(32point isw much better to do this)

P.S. Halfling Rogue has great benefit of AC, and Self-Healing (Dragonmarks).
And they don't suffer from DPS thanks to those sneak attack enhancements.