WF Battle Sorc(critique plz)

[Xanstrollinoax]

This is my battle sorc build made for fighting and casting..

WF 14.2 Sorc/Fighter
Chaotic Good
Stats:
Str:16 base +2 lvl +1 tome +1 enhancement +6 item=26 +8
Dex: 14 +6 item= 20 +5
Con: 16 base +2 enhancement +6 item= 24 +7
Int: 8(Dump Stat)
Wis: 6 (dumpstat)
Cha: 14 base + 6item +3 enhancement +2 lvl +1 tome= 26

SP ~1600-1800

HP
20 heroic
20 fighter
56 sorc
112 con
30 GFL
10 Argo Favor
35 shroud item(tier 1 is +150 sp)
18 toughness(Minos helm)
301 standing
016 rage spell
317 self buffed

Feats:
1:Mithral Body
2(fighter lvl):Power attack
3: Extend
6: Maximize
9: Empower
12: Quicken
14(fighter lvl 2): IC Slashing
15: Force of Personality

Spells(end game many spell switches will be made):
Level 1 (Sorcerer)
Spell (1): Shield
Spell (1): Magic Missle

Level 2 (Fighter)

Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Spell (1): Jump

Level 4 (Sorcerer)
Spell (1): Tumble

Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Blur

Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Scorching Ray

Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Spell (3): Haste

Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Rage

Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Spell (4): Wall of Fire

Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Knock
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (4): Phantasmal Killer

Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Spell (5): Cloudkill

Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Spell (3): Protection From Energy
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (5): Cone of Cold

Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Spell (6): Reconstruct

Level 14 (Fighter)

Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Spell (4): Solid Fog
Spell (5): Hold Monster
Spell (6): Greater Heroism

Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Spell (7): Finger of Death

Enhancements:
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor II

Saves(self buffed:
4/4/9 Sorc
3/0/0 Fighter
7/5/7 Stats
4/4/4 Resist
4/4/4 GH
1/1/0 spells(Haste + rage)
23/18/24 self buffed

To hit:
10 str with rage
9 BAB
5 weapon
4 GH
1 haste
29 consistent
07 Divine power
-5 power attack
31 bust

Damage:
15 twohander str
05 weapon
+20 damage constant
10 power attack
30 burst/portal

Basic IDea: Buff up set up CC and FW and beat them down...decently high surviveability. Go ahead and tear it apart .

[MrCow]

Mithril Body with only Inscribed Armor II is just begging for aggravation on 5% Arcane Spell Failure. Its worthwhile to consider dropping a bit of one enhancement line (like Lineage of Deadly Elements III) for Inscribed Armor III if you plan on keeping Mithril Body.

[Electric_Pulses]

or just use a lesser arcane sigil docent...

but why bother w/ ac if u r gonna be using a 2hander, rage and be capped at a dex bonus of +5? unfortunatly ur ac will not bu sufficient. since ur guy wont have a good spell pen for higher lvl content i wld suggest having web for cc cuz it doesnt need to get past enemies sr, acid fog is also very useful cc but solid fog will work and ur build doesnt have room for acid fog cuz its a lvl 6 spell.

[Lithic]

If you dropped mith body and FoP, you could instead take all the other feats you wanted and drop the 2 fighter levels for 2 paladin levels. This would give you about the same weapon profs, same will save, but give you an additional +8 to fort and reflex saves.

Alternatively, have you considered a quarterstaff-slinging 14sorc/2monk build? Same number of feats, wind stance 1 will soon provide a stacking 5% attack speed bonus, and you wont be a cookie-cutter battlemage. I had a 2rogue/12 sorc for a good long time and it worked quite well alongside the popular 13wiz/1fighter battlemages.

[maddmatt70]

I would dump dex at 8.. Really with this build you are not going to have relevant ac at even mid game so you might as well just live off of displacement and stoneskin. You can put those 6 points into str, con, or charsima and those are all better options..

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

Do you really expect to be able to land FoD, PK, or Hold Monster with a 26 Charisma at end game? I'd look for something else more useful to you. Maybe keep one of the instakill spells if you'd really like, but there's no need to have both, since your DC's won't be high enough to warrant casting them alternately in quick succession.

[Xanstrollinoax]

Do you really expect to be able to land FoD, PK, or Hold Monster with a 26 Charisma at end game? I'd look for something else more useful to you. Maybe keep one of the instakill spells if you'd really like, but there's no need to have both, since your DC's won't be high enough to warrant casting them alternately in quick succession.

Fair enough, what spells would you suggest?

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

Fair enough, what spells would you suggest?

Level 4 (instead of PK): Stoneskin or Enervation

Level 5 (instead of Hold Monster): Waves of Fatigue

Level 7 (instead of FoD): Waves of Exhaustion

If you did want to keep one of the instakill spells (if only just to try it out for a while to see how well it's working for you), I'd go for enervation and fod.

[Xanstrollinoax]

I would dump dex at 8.. Really with this build you are not going to have relevant ac at even mid game so you might as well just live off of displacement and stoneskin. You can put those 6 points into str, con, or charsima and those are all better options..

The dex is a personal thing I just like to have somewhat balance characters and it helps me survive the low lvls. aand thnx for the suggestions Guildmaster Kadish

[Wizzly_Bear]

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[Guildmaster_Kadish]

Additionally, I think your to hit may be too low to reliably be able to use power attack

16 BAB
5 Weapon
4 GH
1 Haste
8 Str
-5 PA
+29 First Swing

Or, raid buffed (ie against Orthons in VoD):
+6 Bardsong
+2 Recitation
+37 First Swing w/ PA

[Wizzly_Bear]

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[maddmatt70]

Right, but isn't their ac in the 50's or 60's? IIRC it is, and in which case you won't be hitting much of anything.

I have something similiar with my sorc (level 16 sorc, 26 strength with rage, +5 weapon, divine power +16 bab) and he doesn't have trouble hitting really anything. He will take off the power attack against the orthons in vod elite depending on what buffs he receives, but really I don't have any issues hitting.

[Wizzly_Bear]

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[maddmatt70]

DP clickies only last 42 seconds. You can't really be hitting those all the time without losing a lot of combat effectiveness.

Yes.. That is what battle arcanes do. I have 30 dp clickies (all boots) on my sorc.. Your dps and your to hit go way up when you divine power up.

[Merkinsal]

I can only speak from the perspective of a sorc with a spell pen of 25, (26 with greater spell pen six +3 item) and a Charisma of 36 with a spell focus item for +1 dc more.

I carry enervation because I have a hard enough time hitting anything as it is. I can't imagine a dc 5 less or spell pen 7 less as your build suggests. There are sorcs out there who have spell focus mastery twice and 38 or 40 Charisma, thats 3 more to dc than I have, who still miss.

I have heard spell pen is not affected by enervation.

Do you have the time or spell points to cast enervation once or several times just to then have to cast another spell that will have limited success of landing? I would avoid all spells requiring spell pen or dc. That would alter you character significantly without the need for so much charisma.

I, however, have never played your type of character and don't know that there isn't some strategy that charisma is good for.

[samho]

Yes.. That is what battle arcanes do. I have 30 dp clickies (all boots) on my sorc.. Your dps and your to hit go way up when you divine power up.

Think most Battle Sorcerer do collect a large array of them.

My new one (sor8/ftr1 at the moment) already use 9 charge per shrine, and have 25 more charge ahead waiting at level. (plan to have 50 around at level 15 which will be 10 item of 5x/day)


Just for the reference, my build aim to:

Sorcerer 14 / Fighter 2


Stat at:

STR 16 + 3 (level up) + 2 (tome) + 1 (fighter strength 1) + 6 (item) = 28 Strength before rage
DEX 8 + 2 (tome) + 6 (item) = 16 (for slightly save)
CON 16 + 2 (tome) + 2 (WF con) + 6 (item) = 26
INT 11 + 1 (tome) = 12
WIS 6
CHA 15 + 1 (level up) + 2 (tome) + 6 (item) + 2 (sorcerer cha II) = 26


Skill on:

Intimidate
Concentration


Feat was going to be

Shield Mastery
Improved Shield Mastery
Extended
Maximize
Empower
Quicken
Toughness
Stunning Blow (not decide it yet, currently have it but consider to grab something else at high level, if I can find some other thing imteresting)

[samho]

I have heard spell pen is not affected by enervation.

I, however, have never played your type of character and don't know that there isn't some strategy that charisma is good for.

From my experience of playing wizard, spell pen does help you landing your enervation (which is, the only thing stop your enervation)

And for this type of build, I would say it's better off work out with those spell which ignore SR / save than have to.

[Merkinsal]

From my experience of playing wizard, spell pen does help you landing your enervation (which is, the only thing stop your enervation)

And for this type of build, I would say it's better off work out with those spell which ignore SR / save than have to.

What I meant to mean was that if you enervate a mob, its spell resistance is not lowered.

[Vyctor]

I posted my battle sorc here:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=157521

I do very little casting though, so if you're looking to cast more than this isn't right for you, but it's a very good melee build. I should have built in more strength and less charisma, starting with a 16 str and bumping cha down as needed. However Destrukshun is pretty welcome to most parties that have run with him. I am looking at switching out khopesh and using greataxes, and probably will. Granted the above presents a few flaws of the build, but they can be worked out.