BiocDkT version - Walking Shrine (repost)

[BiocDkT]

Now I know that alot of people don't like this build for the primary reason that most characters don't have over 500hp, so why focus so much on critical heals. Regardless, it works great for me. I know there may be splashes out there that do what this character can, but better... however I'm a firm believer that ultimately for this type of build it's best to go pure-cleric.

OH YEA! Yes I went for max HEAL skill. I sit around at shrines while people use them. Stop wicking your **** wands around me.

Primary Focus

• Mana based healing either by critical target heals or critical group heals.
• Almost maxed count possible Divine Healings and Divine Vitalities.
  
  • Divine Healing: Used just prior to big fights to help take the edge off.
  • Divine Vitality: Not used much. More for PUG groups and boss fights that are caster heavy.
• Crowd control with Mass Command

Secondary Focus

• Maximized and Heightened stat damage spells and debuffs for single targets.
• Dismissal and Slay Living for everything else.

Back Burner Focus

• Buffing, however try to have a bard in the group for this.

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Level 16 True Neutral Human Male
(16 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 212
Spell Points: 1315 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 4
Will: 18

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             12                    12
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               18                    26
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 16
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Concentration         7                    24
Diplomacy             3                    19
Heal                  8                    27

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Heal (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Concentration I
Enhancement: Cleric Diplomacy I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extra Turning
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery II


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing III


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality III
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery III


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery IV

[Impaqt]

a "Walking Shrine" that puts absolutely nothing into Charisma?

[Reverand]

a "Walking Shrine" that puts absolutely nothing into Charisma?

Yeah, I'm alittle confused too. How many DVs does this build have? I know i have 17 with my cleric and didnt have to make any real sacrifices. Ofcoarse my cleric is a heal and buff build, but still.

[Impaqt]

Yeah, I'm alittle confused too. How many DVs does this build have? I know i have 17 with my cleric and didnt have to make any real sacrifices. Ofcoarse my cleric is a heal and buff build, but still.

I only count 12...
5 8CHR +6Item
4 Extra Turning Feat (Terrible Investment imo)
3 Extra Turning Enh
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12

[Arkat]

Walking Shrine? Puh-lease.

My cleric, Tyrax, now has 25 DVs. He's got a 38 Charisma but only one Extra Turning feat. He's got all the DV enhancements as well so with good rolling, he can give around 750 mana back to some lucky divine or arcane caster.

That's what I'd call a "Walking Shrine."

[Merkinsal]

I like the idea of DHs but this is one of the few times I have seen someone advocate them. Most, like Arkat, use turns for DVs and most party members are looking for DVs.

Yes, casters who burn thru their mana live for DVs, but I don't see why the clerics should be the ones to bail them out unless there is no other use for the turns. If DVs are the only use, I am not so sure that is a good enough reason to burn all those stats in Charisma.

I just do not understand how having a dozen free heals of 3d3 every 2 secs for 30 secs is no a good thing for clerics who are always hurting for spell points.

By the way, anyone know how empower healing, empower, maximize, potency and/or devotion items affect DHs?

[nbhs275]

Walking Shrine? Puh-lease.

My cleric, Tyrax, now has 25 DVs. He's got a 38 Charisma but only one Extra Turning feat. He's got all the DV enhancements as well so with good rolling, he can give around 750 mana back to some lucky divine or arcane caster.

That's what I'd call a "Walking Shrine."

exactly. Though 38 seems a little overkill(Is it 20 base +2 clr +3 tome +6 item +3 shroud item +4 level?) DV's along with strong healing are what one thinks of with a "shrine" cleric. Your healing isnt any better than any other cleric, hell my battlecleric does just as well healing.

You also seem to not really have updated the body of your post...as you still refer to dismissal and slay living as a secondary focus....should obviously be banishment/slay living/destruction.

[nbhs275]

I like the idea of DHs but this is one of the few times I have seen someone advocate them. Most, like Arkat, use turns for DVs and most party members are looking for DVs.

Yes, casters who burn thru their mana live for DVs, but I don't see why the clerics should be the ones to bail them out unless there is no other use for the turns. If DVs are the only use, I am not so sure that is a good enough reason to burn all those stats in Charisma.

I just do not understand how having a dozen free heals of 3d3 every 2 secs for 30 secs is no a good thing for clerics who are always hurting for spell points.

By the way, anyone know how empower healing, empower, maximize, potency and/or devotion items affect DHs?

DH at the end is worth 45d3 hp, or about 70ish on average. Each DV however is worth 7d4+10 SP each, an average of about 28. So 3 DVs equate to another cleric being able to cast 2 heal or mass mod spells. Each which provides FAR more healing then a DH.

Also, The 6 AP he spends on DH could go to something more useful like SP, HP or spell pen.

[Arkat]

exactly. Though 38 seems a little overkill(Is it 20 base +2 clr +3 tome +6 item +3 shroud item +4 level?)

Exactly.

My concept from the beginning was to make him a great Turning Cleric but since undead at the higher levels seem to be overly hard to turn/destroy, I decided to be useful in additional ways.

I decided my high Charisma lent itself well to a LOT of DVs (turn attempts) so I took all the DV enhancements too. I don't know of anyone else's cleric with the same number or more DVs than Tyrax.

Shroud groups are always glad to have me with them for that reason and the fact I can heal well too with my 1585 spell points which I don't think is too shabby.

[tinyjf]

25 dv's is excessive by any standard. You have to give up way too much to get that many dv. As the post was labled though I would have to say having an 8 charisma is by far the extreme the other way. My cleric put a minimal amount into charisma and definately didn't use any feats or ap to increase the numbers of turns and still ended up with 13 dv's. If I wanted to respec I could end up with over 20 but I don't see the benefit in having that many more dv's vs having more SP. Tyrax you obviously are proud of how many dv's you have but I would like to know what did you sacrifice for that many? Whats your hp? Less than 1600 SP, is that with a shroud SP item? Whats your Str? What feats did you take other than the one for extra turns?