Module 8 needs shield loot

[Borror0]

correction, it's a +6 stat with a +3 exceptional bonus
that's like calling the AC ritual on a set of armour a +6 full plate.... not the same

He meant that this was Turbine's workaround.

[esoitl]

I'm all for triple tier armor and shields where one element must be a common bind between the two. Thus, min 2 armor with magma guard both have earth in common. Could make for a very interesting source of themes. This would be one very fun way to implement new crafting! Mebbe even a special 3rd tier outcome from different 3rd tier shard combinations.

what's to say the crafting system will even be similar?
i don't see the same recipes or abilities being added to shields or armours.... that just overpowers the game to a level beyond reason

we'll be looking at a whole different enitity here with a much more defined role IMO

[esoitl]

He meant that this was Turbine's workaround.

just getting technical
the whole profane bonus from the Abbott is yet another example... creative ways to stack things is all it is, they still haven't hit 'epic' gear levels though and probably won't

[Turial]

You roll your eyes now but you know they are going to make that mistake again.

[Borror0]

You roll your eyes now but you know they are going to make that mistake again.

That was actually why I rolled eyes in the first place.

Sometimes, I wonder what they were thinking of... wish I knew, 'cause I wonder if I didn't consider something important or if they just have a different perspective on the game.

[Turial]

That was actually why I rolled eyes in the first place.

Sometimes, I wonder what they were thinking of... wish I knew, 'cause I wonder if I didn't consider something important or if they just have a different perspective on the game.

They use a dart board to pick named loot. Its a method that leads to a lot of wacky things.

Item slot: body

Bonus: +4

Bonus type: dodge and protection (dart landed on the edge between the two)

[Borror0]

They use a dart board to pick named loot. Its a method that leads to a lot of wacky things.

hehe... seriously...

Turbine doesn't hire incompetent Devs. So, when they make an illogical choice like that, why did they make it? Did they not consider something that the playerbase considers important? Did they have concerns toward making the item any better? Do they just have a different vision of what DDO should be?

We can point there mistakes all we want, but without knowing their reasoning sometimes... it makes it harder.

I wish we'd have more communication. As in, when we are revolted by a mistake of yours... explain us the reasoning...

[Angelus_dead]

Turbine doesn't hire incompetent Devs. So, when they make an illogical choice like that, why did they make it?

Summer interns. They're never technically "hired".

[Turial]

Summer interns. They're never technically "hired".

Yes but summer interns rarely make it to a position where they have decision making power that affects things similar to R&D. (atleast thats my experience)

[Vorn]

<snip> Do they just have a different vision of what DDO should be?

We can point there mistakes all we want, but without knowing their reasoning sometimes... it makes it harder.

I wish we'd have more communication. As in, when we are revolted by a mistake of yours... explain us the reasoning...

I think this an important observation. I don't really know what their vision of DDO is. Do they have a common overarching theme or set of core principles? (Besides "make money" which probably ought be there...I mean wrt the game itself.)

<Goes to flip through various editions of DM guides>

I guess it's cinematic-monty-haul. The part I struggle with is that I disagree with that approach and I should just get over it.

[Borror0]

I guess it's cinematic-monty-haul. The part I struggle with is that I disagree with that approach and I should just get over it.

It's not that simple. I wished though.

[Turial]

It's not that simple. I wished though.

See wish spells are tricky like that. We just have to find the right wording...

[Borror0]

See wish spells are tricky like that. We just have to find the right wording...

I want a dragon monk! /crossfingers

[QuantumFX]

Add in: Make Improved Shield Bash work like the P&P feat and consider me /signed.

[Borror0]

Add in: Make Improved Shield Bash work like the P&P feat and consider me /signed.

• Benefit
  When you perform a shield bash, you may still apply the shield’s shield bonus to your AC.

Source: SRD


How is it different?!

[Angelus_dead]

How is it different?!

You could say that the D&D feat allows you to retain all the shield's defensive benefits while attacking with it. DDO shields have an additional benefit- DR besides AC- which Imp Shield Bash doesn't cover.

However, it's better to look at blocking DR as coming from the "Total Defense Action", which is separate from your shield and which no feat will allow you to make attacks with. (Well, there's Robliar's etc, but that's quite different)

[QuantumFX]

• Benefit
  When you perform a shield bash, you may still apply the shield’s shield bonus to your AC.

Source: SRD


How is it different?!

My Dwarf Ranger could TWF with an Axe and Shield. In P&P, S&B is a TWF fighting style. In fact, Monte Cooke suggested it as a feat choice for lowbie rangers in P&P. I'd, rightfully, lose the the Tempest Bonus when that issue is fixed but I'd have quick access to DR.

This might help you (Note the highlight in orange):

Shield Bash Attacks
You can bash an opponent with a light shield or heavy shield, using it as an off-hand weapon. See Table: Weapons for the damage dealt by a shield bash. Used this way, a shield is a martial bludgeoning weapon. For the purpose of penalties on attack rolls, treat a heavy shield as a one-handed weapon and a light shield as a light weapon. If you use your shield as a weapon, you lose its AC bonus until your next action (usually until the next round). An enhancement bonus on a shield does not improve the effectiveness of a shield bash made with it, but the shield can be made into a magic weapon in its own right.

You could say that the D&D feat allows you to retain all the shield's defensive benefits while attacking with it. DDO shields have an additional benefit- DR besides AC- which Imp Shield Bash doesn't cover.

However, it's better to look at blocking DR as coming from the "Total Defense Action", which is separate from your shield and which no feat will allow you to make attacks with. (Well, there's Robliar's etc, but that's quite different)

This has been brought up before. The +DR thing/Turbine Shield Bash would only apply to when you are actively blocking.

[Jefro]

Alot of these shields are overpoweriful, i perfer if one has such power it should also have a downside and unpredictability. Rather not view as ultimate Shield but a Shield that benefit might be worth the risks.


Shield 1 abilities
+2 Natural Armor
5 uses of Level 10 Rage Clickie
4&#37; chance to give Random Greater Block to one type of attack or Random 30 resist with 33% absorbption to a element when hit, or Rage Spell, or or gives you Vulnerability to type of attack all effects lasts 2 mins

Shield 2 abilities
Greater Arcane Lore
Superior Devotion 6
4% Channeling recieve 15sp when hit
1% Poweroverflow lose Level


Shield 3 abilities
3x Level 10 Haste Clickie
+4 Protection
+15 Balance
4% chance Slow or Haste on Self or Target for 5 mins

Shield 4 abilities
Twilight Mithral
Superior Arcane Lore
Reduce Spell cost 2
Hidden Effect: 1% spell Failure that cannot be reduced.

[liamfrancais]

I would be happy if they just stopped offering me 3 or more shields for every quest as end rewards that start out x'er devotion II of **** blah blah blah. Stop throwing all the know affects in a blender just to get a high level useless item to come out as a "reward", and seriously does anyone need a ghost touch shield do you normally sit there in blocking mode trying to bash a ghost with your shield? Anyway my 2 cps.

[silverraven]

/signed

Great Idea A_D!