Suggestion for end Rewards

[EightyFour]

I have a suggestion for end rewards, as I currently understand it, games are supposed to reward you for competing something, it maybe a new weapon of some sort in some games, or you unlock a new level or you even get some item or health gain.

Currently in DDO you a rewarded from completing a quest by xp and an end reward as well as some chests.

But what happens when a character is level capped? The xp no longer becomes a reward and the chests don't always give you what you are looking for, a lot of times they don't give you anything you are looking for, and the end rewards are about as good as the chests.

So what I'm thinking to help a little with this is have a cash reward at the end of the quest, either you take an item, or if there is nothing that you can use, sell, or trade, have a cash pile listed for the full amount of the item the is worth the most. Or just a static amount that is worth more than 35% of the full item worth of the most expensive item.

[sirgog]

...Or just a static amount that is worth more than 35% of the full item worth of the most expensive item.

It's called looting the Major Mneumonic Potion that drops as an end reward a lot of the time, then selling it on the Auction House for 8000 plat.

[EightyFour]

It's called looting the Major Mneumonic Potion that drops as an end reward a lot of the time, then selling it on the Auction House for 8000 plat.

Oh...I didn't realize that Major Mneumonic Potion are a guaranteed drop, my lists must be bugged. Maybe I should send in a bug report on this?

[kaelis]

no offence but his post was more then clear he said a lot... which is true, doing high end quests more often then not you will see a major pot at the bottom of your list

[sirgog]

no offence but his post was more then clear he said a lot... which is true, doing high end quests more often then not you will see a major pot at the bottom of your list

Yep. They drop pretty often if you play a character that's got more levels of Clr Wiz or Sorc than any other class.

[Angelus_dead]

Oh...I didn't realize that Major Mneumonic Potion are a guaranteed drop, my lists must be bugged. Maybe I should send in a bug report on this?

They're not guaranteed, but if you're a spellcaster in class-specific mode they appear over 20% of the time.

[EightyFour]

My point here is that they don't drop all the time, it's random so it's great when they do and the drop rate is great.

But my point is when you do get a list full of junk, what is it that you do? Do you pick the best or most expensive item and than vendor trash it?

I'm just guessing here, but I'm think you do, that's what the majority of players I know do.

So I suggest a static reward, a.k.a. a reward that is always listed and available as a reward, a stack of money, that's what it's going to become anyway, might as well get more cash as a choice on your list if everything is junk, otherwise most people are just left disappointed, do I think this is going to make everyone happy? No, but I think it would be a better reward than most of the items that pop up on end reward lists. As for major pots, if I see them I send them to my cleric or one of my two casters.

[jmelanie7]

Oh yeah, so farmers will just have more plats ... nice!!

[EightyFour]

Oh yeah, so farmers will just have more plats ... nice!!

Yeah, cause I'm sure there running out of it right? I mean what's going to happen here they gonna lower there price on plat so more people are going to buy. OMG, like, the plat farmers don't have a huge supply, but I know several players that could use it, but hey lets keep them without plat. that way they can get tired of being poor and they can go buy some plat.

Great idea, I'm glad you thought of it.

[woodrick]

people are poor?
i don't know of people that are poor and need to buy plat, i know lazy people buy it so they don't have to do anything but still have the gear they want. if u have a capped toon and can not make plat on your own then u r doing something seriously wrong.

anyway wouldn't taking the item worth the most ie. 162000gp weapon that drops as an end reward trading or mailing it to your haggle toon make you more money than a static cash drop? (my lvl12 bard would make roughly 4kpp selling that item. off the top of my head, at class so can't check to get the correct amount)

so basically if u are having trouble making plat go lvl a haggle bard, there are a few threads in the bard forums on builds

as for the end rewards yeah i agree alot of the time i get junk, but i pick the highest value item and mail to my bard to sell. is exactly the same as getting a static cash drop.

[EightyFour]

people are poor?
i don't know of people that are poor and need to buy plat, i know lazy people buy it so they don't have to do anything but still have the gear they want. if u have a capped toon and can not make plat on your own then u r doing something seriously wrong.

anyway wouldn't taking the item worth the most ie. 162000gp weapon that drops as an end reward trading or mailing it to your haggle toon make you more money than a static cash drop? (my lvl12 bard would make roughly 4kpp selling that item. off the top of my head, at class so can't check to get the correct amount)

so basically if u are having trouble making plat go lvl a haggle bard, there are a few threads in the bard forums on builds

as for the end rewards yeah i agree alot of the time i get junk, but i pick the highest value item and mail to my bard to sell. is exactly the same as getting a static cash drop.

As far as the haggle skill go's it's 1% increase for every 4 points you have into it, starting from 12.5% from a regular vendor,
So if you had an 80 haggle than you would get 32.5% of the item's worth, if your selling to a broker it's 15% so about 35% of the total item worth. To get full value you would have to have a haggle of 340, I don't think that anyone has there skill that high.

So it's not the same as getting a static cash drop unless the static cash drop is the same percentage as your haggle skill/4 + 15%.

As for being lazy, is that what you think this game is about? Work? I thought game's were around to have fun when your not working, which comes back to my point, this is a game and is meant to be fun, is it fun to get an end reward that has almost next to no value? Do you hope when you go talk to the guy that gives you the end reward that he well give you something you can junk? Or do you hope he can give you something to use?

It's a question of is the end reward a real reward or are we just going through lists of junk hoping for something good?

[Borror0]

I know several players that could use it, but hey lets keep them without plat. That way they can get tired of being poor and they can go buy some plat.

Making money easier to get will only devalue it. The poor won't be richer.

[EightyFour]

Making money easier to get will only devalue it. The poor won't be richer.

I believe your right, but I think it is more a psychological game, would you suggest something else besides cash that could be of less value and still give the player a feeling of reward? Or even something of equal value?

[Boldrin]

I say just give everyone with a capped toon 4 million plat so the economics of the game go out of whack. God forbid people don't always get what they want in a chest. ..... Have you ever played pen and paper?? lol

[BurningDownTheHouse]

Making money easier to get will only devalue it. The poor won't be richer.

True to an extent.
People will have more money to buy supplies...
On the other hand you can just make vendor items cheaper :P

[EightyFour]

I say just give everyone with a capped toon 4 million plat so the economics of the game go out of whack. God forbid people don't always get what they want in a chest. ..... Have you ever played pen and paper?? lol

I think giving everyone 4 mill plat for having a capped toon is a bit much, and what purpose does it serve?

Also I don't think you should always get what you want from a chest, but how would you feel if you opened a chest and there was always nothing in it? Would you still run for that chest or skip it? Plus for that matter, what are we talking about chests for, I was speaking of end rewards, so I suggest if you want to talk about chest, you can start your own thread about it.

Also as another matter, time to get our minds of money here for a second and think end rewards.

[Borror0]

I believe your right, but I think it is more a psychological game, would you suggest something else besides cash that could be of less value and still give the player a feeling of reward? Or even something of equal value?

Why would every end reward be good? I mean, it's getting **** that makes getting something good fun.

Besides, you already get something. It's vendor trash (ie money).

[darkrune]

It's called looting the Major Mneumonic Potion that drops as an end reward a lot of the time, then selling it on the Auction House for 8000 plat.

My motto... When in doubt, Pot it out!!!!

[EightyFour]

Why would every end reward be good? I mean, it's getting **** that makes getting something good fun.

Besides, you already get something. It's vendor trash (ie money).

Maybe for those that are bitter and they want to complain about their **** rewards.

Plus the fact that you call it trash shows what it is, we don't get end rewards, we get end trash.

[EightyFour]

My motto... When in doubt, Pot it out!!!!

Sorry, I don't smoke that stuff.