WuJen: Halfling Fighter/Wizard/Monk

**geoffhanna** · 08-29-2008, 02:09 AM

Without warning, a quickcast Solid Fog envelopes the hill giant and both ogres; a blurry figure springs into melee, erupting in a whirlwind of steel that paralyzes them all. Moving at half speed - when able to move at all - the guards are quickly dispatched; the attacker sheathes his paralyzers and begins sizing up the next target as he slips out of sight. "Hmm..." he thinks, drawing dual frost weapons while examining the Fire Giant Captain, "I think an Enervate is in order here, maybe two. Definitely Ray of Exhaustion..."

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Wu-Jen Halfling Ftr-Wiz-Mnk
Level 16 Lawful Neutral Halfling Male
7 Fighter \ 2 Monk \ 7 Wizard (20th level -> 7 \ 2 \ 11)

I've been trying to come up with an effective melee caster for awhile now; I've been down a lot of roads. I wanted to make it a STR build but it just doesn't suit a halfling caster-mixed multiclass. DEX it will have to be.

Here was my wish list for this build:

Primarily a meleer
Very survivable at low levels (will be low level a long time)
Good at two weapon fighting
At least fourth-level spells
Must remain effective in endgame (should it ever get there)
Has to have something fun about it that is different from my other characters

It came down to this build and an assassin12/wiz8. That build looks fun too - but it is feat-starved, and doesn't get greater TWF until the next cap increase.

Please - please - feel encouraged to make comments and suggestions!

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Hit Points:   219
Spell Points: 393 
BAB:          11\11\16\21
Fortitude:    14
Reflex:       18
Will:         12

Hit points will be fine until ... the Orchard? Adding CON & GFL items and he's over 300. BAB is a little low, but managable, and this is expected when you take wizard levels. I built up Reflex to maximize Evasion. Spell points are pretty low. He mainly needs it to maintain buffs but still will likely need a magi item.

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AC:
10
1 dodge
1 size
7 dex
1 dex (wind stance)
5 CE
4 boost III
----
4 mage armor
4 shield
1 haste
2 vs. evil (magic circle)
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3 dex item
3 wis item
2 (+6 armor bracers)
4 deflection (+4 protection)

29 without spells or items, 40 self-buffed, and 52 by adding simple items. Probably won't have CE on very often. Probably will have other AC enhancers by 16th level, I think over 60 is possible?

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                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             13                    14
Dexterity            18                    24
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma              8                     8

Wish I had more STR. And CON. And WIS.

The character will be played under no-twink rules. He could have these scores for awhile

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                  Starting            Ending          
                 Base Skills        Base Skills       
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 16)        
Balance               8                 11            
Concentration         6                 16            
Hide                  8                 20            
Jump                  3                 19            
Move Silently         8                 20            
Tumble                8                 11

Jump is a no-brainer, and he'll need concentration to cast while in combat. Can't get UMD high enough to matter. The others are mainly because sometimes they are fun. Am definitely looking for suggestions here.

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Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack
Feat: (Selected) Whirlwind Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting

This character needed spring attack since BAB is already low and expects to be moving a lot. That made it simple to go the extra couple feats and snag Whirlwind Attack. Extra bonus, none of my characters have ever had WA (yay, fun!).

Not decided on IC

ierce vs IC:slash. Depends probably on what weapons I have by level 12.

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Spell (1): Chill Touch
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Mage Armor
Spell (1): Shield
Spell (1): Ray of Enfeeblement
Spell (1): Magic Missle
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (2): Glitterdust
Spell (2): Invisibility
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Heroism
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (4): Fire Shield
Spell (4): Solid Fog

Spell choice is very important for this build. He simply can't cast anything with a saving throw, and really not much that allows SR either. Self-buffs are good. Everything else requires thought.

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Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Halfling Luck I (Fortitude)
Enhancement: Halfling Luck III (Reflex)
Enhancement: Halfling Luck I (Will)
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Quickening II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Disciple of Breezes
Enhancement: Disciple of Pebbles
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

Hit points. Ability mods. Some Reflex saves. A dab of extra mana. I will have to get used to using the boosts, I don't use melee boosts on my other chars... will take some adjustment.

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Thanks Ron!

**geoffhanna** · 09-02-2008, 04:38 PM

No comments ?

No errors?

I never get these right the first time. What did I do wrong?

**Varr** · 09-02-2008, 05:16 PM

Im all for the fun of an occational non tweeked toon. Is this really the build you want to try that with? Cross classing to a melee caster takes alot of helpfull gear just to be middle of the pack on casting and more importantly fighting in my opinion. Ive also been working hard on a fighting caster.....have 5 or 6 in play atm with varying degrees of success. They are tough to be usefull with, and that is tweeked. Gl my friend is my advice. Hehehe.

**Thrudh** · 09-09-2008, 12:20 PM

Looks interesting to me....

Take Rage as a third level spell instead of Circle against Evil (you can take Prot from Evil as a 1st level spell instead)

Consider WF for self-healing ability?

Self-cast haste, rage, displacement are EXTREMELY nice for a melee build... A decent AC, constant displacement, evasion... very good defensively... Your offense will be much weaker though... but with good equipment, this character can still do pretty well...

**Starspawn** · 09-10-2008, 04:14 PM

I'm playing around with the same kind of character concept but I'm going to take 3 levels of monk so you can get to the monk healing finishing move and the spell point reduction finishing move and the blur finishing move and the heroism finishing move. It seemed to me to make more sense to take advantage of those built in things with just one more level of monk... especially the one that gives you the spellsinger like effect for when you're buffing yourself. You have 2 meditations you can use to get the ki up before you buff yourself and others. If I fine tune my build better, I'll give you some more input.

**geoffhanna** · 09-13-2008, 12:25 AM

Thrudh - thanks for the prot from evil vs. magic circle pointer. Can't swap to WF tho, I play in a halfling-only guild
Starspawn - interesting thought. I disregarded finishers because my monk is never able to fire them successfully. I am curious as to how they work for you - please keep me posted!

Thanks to both of you for the input

**Randolf_Drake** · 10-09-2008, 06:11 PM

I would work in Mark of Healing, and make sure to take all 3.

This would give your character healing potential far beyond any one class, unfortunately it will gobble up 3 feats, yum yum.

**Geonis** · 10-23-2008, 05:25 AM

Drop level 7 Ftr for another level of Monk, this gives you the Monk buffs and a Path.

10% discount on spells, undispellable Blur, stacking Heroism? All good things.

This is assuming you are using Monk weapons, because you are counting a stance into your numbers, which will let you accumulate Ki and use your "finishers".

**geoffhanna** · 10-23-2008, 08:05 PM

I don't plan to use monk weapons. OTOH, 7th level fighter is not a high bang-for-the-buck level... the level 7 enhancements are nice but thats about it.

I am keeping this build on hold until I see the specifics of the upcoming fighter prestige enhancements.

**beardmoreharley** · 12-03-2008, 12:16 AM

this is probably the noobiest questions ever but would you be able to tell me what order you take the level in? do you go monk for 1 and 2, then fighter for 3-9 and rest as wizard?
thanks for your help

**geoffhanna** · 12-03-2008, 07:48 PM

Monk first as that gets you the most skill points.

I took fighter second because I wanted weapon finesse right away, but you could go either way.

**Randolf_Drake** · 12-16-2008, 01:35 PM

You would do better if you dropped your Dex down, and increased your Wis. In this way you will end up getting more AC out of your build than you currently are.

**geoffhanna** · 12-17-2008, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Randolf_Drake

You would do better if you dropped your Dex down, and increased your Wis. In this way you will end up getting more AC out of your build than you currently are.

But this is a weapon finesse build; DEX is used for AC but also To-Hit. The build has a lot of (half-BAB) Wizard levels. I am assuming we will want all the To-Hit we can get.

**Randolf_Drake** · 12-17-2008, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by geoffhanna

But this is a weapon finesse build; DEX is used for AC but also To-Hit. The build has a lot of (half-BAB) Wizard levels. I am assuming we will want all the To-Hit we can get.

Removing 2 points of dex will lower his to hit by 1.
Adding 4 points of wis will increase his AC by 2.
This will leave him with 2 build points to use on something else to make the character even better.

The base BAB of his toon at 16th is 11 BAB, decent enough IMO. Especially with all the + hit items now. Hitting is easy, doing 500 points to kill one Ogre is tough.

**kingfisher** · 12-17-2008, 12:58 PM

trying to figure out a wf ranger/wiz/monk atm. waiting till cap incr. anyway but its tough to fi all the feats in and not be way behind at mid lvl. lvls 12-15 will be difficult it seems. thinking 12/5/3 for flavor reasons.

**Varr** · 12-17-2008, 06:05 PM

For fun, Ive rolled up a toon simular to this. is 9/2/2 atm wizard/fighter/monk and end gaming 16/2/2 or more likley 15/2/3. Fun build, Ive invested in ce, two weapon defense, and dodge for ac (49 atm. work toward 60ish with effort.) I have two weapon and improved two weapon atm, and the 3 healing marks. Extend and max, sp pool is only 530 or so atm. Hope your version is as fun as mine.

**geoffhanna** · 01-28-2009, 08:15 PM

I am bumping the build threads that I still use to avoid the Great Purge of 09.

**magnusrufus** · 09-17-2009, 10:50 AM

this idea intrigued me, so i decided to spend 20 min toying with it in a character builder. im by no means an excellent character builder. but i like doing it all the same. this is a rough idea that looks fun to me (i might even make her). a fair number of the choices can be moved around to different locations at will so if you dont like the timeing of something feel free to toy with them. constructive criticism is much appreciated, i know this isnt a perfect build, its just my interpretation of the OP's idea

32pt was used, but if you dont have or arnt close to it this would prb still work with 28
(personally i dont think it would work as well though, the extra 4 points are very nice on a split build like this)

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Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Female
(8 Fighter \ 3 Monk \ 9 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 277
Spell Points: 496 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 14
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    18
Dexterity            17                    20
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               10                    12
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                     9
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         6                    27
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  0                     1
Hide                  3                     7
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  6                    29
Listen                0                     3
Move Silently         3                     7
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                2                     2
Spot                  4                     9
Swim                  6                     8
Tumble                7                    20
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 5 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Mage Armor
Spell (1): Nightshield
Spell (1): Ray of Enfeeblement
Spell (1): Shield


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Philosophy - Path of Harmonious Balance
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 7 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Spell (1): Obscuring Mist
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (2): False Life


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 10 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Spell (2): Glitterdust
Spell (2): Invisibility


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 14 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (3): Haste


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Spell (4): Stoneskin
Spell (4): Enervation


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
Spell (4): Solid Fog
Spell (4): Dimension Door


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Whirlwind Attack


Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Spell (5): Teleport
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Kensei Kama Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kama Specialization I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Quickening I
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Quickening II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Fists of Light
Enhancement: Disciple of Breezes
Enhancement: Disciple of Pebbles
Enhancement: Disciple of Candles
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

youll notice i only used about ~50 ap's, you have a lot of freedom here because you dont have 1 high class so most of your enhancements are cheap. these are the ones i consider the best of the choices, after these anything you pick is just gravy

**geoffhanna** · 09-18-2009, 05:41 PM

It looks interesting Magnus!

I've still never played mine about 4th level so cannot add a lot of empirical observations.

OTOH, I also came up with a different way to do a melee caster, and I have capped that one. It is a blast to play too! But hard! (which may be why it is fun?).

Kind of light on the DPS but surprisingly tough and survivable: Kung Fu Caster: Halfling Monk/Wizard

Oops just noticed need to update this build. I took more of the TWF feats than are shown in this.

**Aranticus** · 09-18-2009, 06:52 PM

for both of the builds i see here, the enhancements shows a lot of redundancy. the 2nd build hit like a wet noodle

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