Rogue Cleric Rev 2.0! Back for the...... Ack! A Rogue Cleric????

[moorewr]

Out of curiosity, what is your ultimate level division with this character, when the level 20 cap comes?

For me it is probably 17/3, with the last rogue level coming as late as I can stand.

[Aeneas]

For NBHS, all he would need to do is make the character lawful and splash the monk level late to get the crazy +10 or so AC bonus and monk feat - nothing is really preventing this character from getting up to a pretty darn good AC. At the current cap he wouldn't even lose any spells.

My level split would be 17 cleric/2 rogue/ 1monk

[rimble]

Most likely 18 Cleric/2 Rogue on my planned Human. Don't think the AC would matter much (and I'm expecting them to do SOMETHING to help AC in Armor/Shield, so I think the gain by going Monk would be nominal, but that's just speculation) and skills should probably be okay: DD, Search, and UMD maxed. 36 ranks left to split between OL and Spot however you want.

[Impaqt]

I'll be keeping an eye on the high water marks for rogue skills... AS long as I can keep up, I wont be taking any mor enon-cleric levels. If I need a boost in any skill, I'll take one more level of rogue.

Monks Plash for AC? nah, Builds like this have other things to worry about than AC.... no Room for Chaos Guards, +5 Protection Item, Chattering RIng, etcf etc etc... WHat would it give me really? a 35?

[nbhs275]

For NBHS, all he would need to do is make the character lawful and splash the monk level late to get the crazy +10 or so AC bonus and monk feat - nothing is really preventing this character from getting up to a pretty darn good AC. At the current cap he wouldn't even lose any spells.

My level split would be 17 cleric/2 rogue/ 1monk

yet again, im not advocating the monk splash.

[moorewr]

I'll be keeping an eye on the high water marks for rogue skills... AS long as I can keep up, I wont be taking any mor enon-cleric levels. If I need a boost in any skill, I'll take one more level of rogue.

Monks Plash for AC? nah, Builds like this have other things to worry about than AC.... no Room for Chaos Guards, +5 Protection Item, Chattering RIng, etcf etc etc... WHat would it give me really? a 35?

35 is about right without strenuous efforts.



This is what I came up with for Pantalaimon..:

Base: 10
Silken Mail: 9
+5 mithril shield: 6
Dex: 4
Protection: 4
Shield and armor rituals?: 2
==================
AC= 35

+2 v. chaos for planar gird...

Plus I could go the +4 AC route on a GS item, but wont count on that.

[nbhs275]

35 is about right without strenuous efforts.



This is what I came up with for Pantalaimon..:

Base: 10
Silken Mail: 9
+5 mithril shield: 6
Dex: 4
Protection: 4
Shield and armor rituals?: 2
==================
AC= 35

+2 v. chaos for planar gird...

Plus I could go the +4 AC route on a GS item, but wont count on that.

well, as far as what a 14/2 cleric monk gets, mines looking at about

10base
15 wis
6 dex
5 prot
5 blue robe (with alc)
3 dodge
3 nat
4 GS
_____________
51 standing unbuffed.

Not gunna go with AC bracers/ dodge robe because dont have item space for that and everthing else. Thats also not counting a possible chattering.

[Impaqt]

well, as far as what a 14/2 cleric monk gets, mines looking at about

10base
15 wis
6 dex
5 prot
5 blue robe (with alc)
3 dodge
3 nat
4 GS
_____________
51 standing unbuffed.

Not gunna go with AC bracers/ dodge robe because dont have item space for that and everthing else. Thats also not counting a possible chattering.

We're not talking about Monk/Clerics in this thread, its a Rogue Cleric. Rogue Clerics have a tougher time with item slots for sure.

You really have a 40 Wisdom?

[nbhs275]

We're not talking about Monk/Clerics in this thread, its a Rogue Cleric. Rogue Clerics have a tougher time with item slots for sure.

You really have a 40 Wisdom?

18 base
4 lvl
4 feat (hes human)
6 item
3 tome
3 shroud
2 stance
_________
40

The build is going to reach 40 as soon as i get a +3 wisdom tome, until then im fine with a 38.

[moorewr]

18 base
4 lvl
4 feat (hes human)
6 item
3 tome
3 shroud
2 stance
_________
40

The build is going to reach 40 as soon as i get a +3 wisdom tome, until then im fine with a 38.

"4 feat (hes human)?"

What does this mean?

[nbhs275]

"4 feat (hes human)?"

What does this mean?

3 cleric wisdom, 1 human adaptability. Enhancments are listed as feats.

[Impaqt]

Just a quick note to let ya all know Steelyn is still very much alive and doing well.

[moorewr]

Just a quick note to let ya all know Steelyn is still very much alive and doing well.

So's Pantalaimon. 61 search (my pure rogue friends laugh at me.. say I got carried away). Evasion is the new French Vanilla, so he's popular for Kobold, the shroud and birthday parties...

My basic gear is DT robes, minos legens, SP/Int skills greensteel item, Head of Good Fortune, and for weapons a potency item and a wisdom greensteel. 256hp/1460 sp, Reflex save is +22 self buffed. That's a weak point.. on hard/elite I can stand in a trap to disable it..

[Impaqt]

So's Pantalaimon. 61 search (my pure rogue friends laugh at me.. say I got carried away). Evasion is the new French Vanilla, so he's popular for Kobold, the shroud and birthday parties...

My basic gear is DT robes, minos legens, SP/Int skills greensteel item, Head of Good Fortune, and for weapons a potency item and a wisdom greensteel. 256hp/1460 sp, Reflex save is +22 self buffed. That's a weak point.. on hard/elite I can stand in a trap to disable it..

Yeah, Reflex saves are a bugger with the build... QUick tip for ya.. Loot every Holy aura scroll you can get your hands on and send em to Pant... The save bonus stacks... They help out steelyn quite a bit! I can get her Reflex up to a 26 or 27 now and it makes a big difference.

[moorewr]

Yeah, Reflex saves are a bugger with the build... QUick tip for ya.. Loot every Holy aura scroll you can get your hands on and send em to Pant... The save bonus stacks... They help out steelyn quite a bit! I can get her Reflex up to a 26 or 27 now and it makes a big difference.

oh, good tip!

[Quarks]

I've been thinking about this build.

The way I understand it, you put points into Dex mainly for rogue skills and reflex saves, correct?
If that's the case, and since you yourself say that reflex saves are a bugger on the build, have you considered going human with it and taking Insightful Reflexes as level 1 bonus feat?
That way you could drop dex a little in favour of int, plus you could boost your reflex saves quite a bit. Let me know if the idea is rubbish, I'm a bit out of practice in planning builds...

[kinar]

I've been thinking about this build.

The way I understand it, you put points into Dex mainly for rogue skills and reflex saves, correct?
If that's the case, and since you yourself say that reflex saves are a bugger on the build, have you considered going human with it and taking Insightful Reflexes as level 1 bonus feat?
That way you could drop dex a little in favour of int, plus you could boost your reflex saves quite a bit. Let me know if the idea is rubbish, I'm a bit out of practice in planning builds...

I've got a human cleric version of this build here:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=180949

I was about to post that it was a pretty similar build but after reading through both, they are quite different.

My dex isn't as high so the insightful reflexes doesn't really apply (although i did take lighning reflexes as my bonus feat) and my rogue skills are slightly better.

[Impaqt]

I've been thinking about this build.

The way I understand it, you put points into Dex mainly for rogue skills and reflex saves, correct?
If that's the case, and since you yourself say that reflex saves are a bugger on the build, have you considered going human with it and taking Insightful Reflexes as level 1 bonus feat?
That way you could drop dex a little in favour of int, plus you could boost your reflex saves quite a bit. Let me know if the idea is rubbish, I'm a bit out of practice in planning builds...

DEX and INT wind up the same int he end on this build. Insightful reflexes wouldnt realluy help that much.

Int is already at 16. To go to 18 you'd need 6 more build points.. that drops dex down to 8... (On a human) losing 3 pointsof Open Lock in the process. You also drop 2 Spot and Search from racial. Its a ripple effect that is difficult to keep under control...

All for 1 more point in Reflex? You actually be better off taking Lightning Reflexes with that human feet and leave the stats alone... +2 reflex save.

[Mercadia]

Hi, newbie here. I thought this would be an interesting character to duo with a fighter friend of mine. The idea is that I'd be able to provide heals/buffs and trapsmithing. But since we're a long ways from 1750 favor and can't afford tomes, I tried converting this into a 28-point build w/o tomes. I'm not sure how well the result ended up, and I ended up porting it to a Drow to make up some of the differences.

My main concern seems to be that w/o the extra INT from the tomes, I can't seem to match the skill investments. Since I haven't gotten a character past the marketplace yet, I don't know how that'll turn out. Anyways, here goes:

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Level 16 Chaotic Neutral Drow Female
(2 Rogue \ 14 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 160
Spell Points: 1075 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 11
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             12                    12
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         16                    16
Wisdom               14                    21
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               3                     4
Bluff                 0                     0
Concentration         1                     1
Diplomacy             4                     4
Disable Device        7                    19
Haggle                4                     4
Heal                  2                     5
Hide                  7                     8
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  1                     1
Listen                6                    11
Move Silently         7                     8
Open Lock             7                    19
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     3
Search                7                    19.5
Spot                  6                    18
Swim                  1                     1
Tumble                7                     8
Use Magic Device      4                    19

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I


Level 5 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 10 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II


Level 14 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV

Thoughts? I'm worried that listen seems pretty low, and a lot of the other builds I've seen out there seem to have a TON more in the trapsmithing skills than I was able to fit in. I know that gear will help cover some of the differences, but again, not having any idea how bad the DC on traps are for mid/end game dungeon, I'd really appreciate any feedback.

If this kind of build just isn't viable w/o a 32-point start and tomes, I'll probably go heavy rogue instead, and rely heavily on UMD. The friend can roll a pally instead of a fighter and bring in more heal/buff support that way.

[Ron]

Mercadia, I play a very similar buid, which is no tome, 28 point. This was designed to be a solo build, so I'm sure it would work fine in a duo setting. In fact, I think this build is a modified build of something I did a few months ago, and that build is based on Impact's build, with some modifications to allow for soloing and the lack of tomes/4 ability ponits.

It works pretty well, though with the lack of STR, she does a fair amount of whiffing. If this were a 32 pointer, I'd put all 4 points into STR, and this would be a powerhouse soloing build

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Zherina Wolfe
Level 20 Neutral Good Human Female
(4 Rogue \ 16 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 212
Spell Points: 1275 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 10
Will: 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity            12                    12
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         16                    16
Wisdom               14                    22
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    15
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         4                     4
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        7                    30
Haggle                3                     3
Heal                  4                     8
Hide                  5                     5
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  4                     4
Listen                2                     6
Move Silently         1                     1
Open Lock             5                    26
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     3
Search                7                    28
Spot                  6                    31
Swim                  4                     4
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      3                     3

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Diehard
Feat: (Human Bonus) Nimble Fingers
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing II


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+6)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+6)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing III


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock II


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Search II
Enhancement: Rogue Spot II