100+ AC TWF Intimidate Build soon to come

[Notorious]

*** I was not able to put a build together with the AC I hoped for and the DPS I wanted... This post is just really a few people arguing about the effectiveness of Tempest Rangers using w/p weaps over other builds for killing speed. A few posters had some good insight however.
More or less it turned out to be a waste of time as a post. My apologies.

This build is from Aleos, Guild Leader of Sovereign Blades and is a great AC build. I plan to modify it to be elf or drow elf to erase the size penalty for Intimidate and get it over 50 Intimidate, have more hp and damage with only slightly less AC... Yes, I know it is not a fighter, but considering it Intimidate focus, i thought it appropriate to be posted here.

Thanks Aleos for the build framework!

This is the Halfling
(3 Monk \ 1 Rogue \ 12 Ranger)
Hit Points: 222 - Since DPS isn't goal, I'd recomend Dusk Heart for 242, 10% Blur
(Ranger: 96 Monk: 24 Rogue: 6 Con: 32/48 Toughness: 36 Minos: 18 Favor: 10)
(Shroud Necklace, +25hp, 6wis, 10 Dip to 267hp)
BAB: 14\14\19\24


Base: 10
Dex: 13
Wis: 6
Armor: 7 (8 with the rare bracers)
Shield: 4
Natural: 5
Deflection: 5
Dodge: 8 (Icy Raiment, Chattering)
Centered: 1
Size: 1
Tempest: 2
Recitation: 2
Shroud: 4
CE: 5
Haste: 1
Realistic Total: 71 - Without Chattering or +8 Armors. Rest is semi-easy to come by...
Total: 75

This would put you at *76* Self buffed, without two-weapon-defense.

Using Kamas, in either Wind or Water stance you'd be at 76.
Switch a toughness for TWD for Self-buffed 77 AC.
Favored Defense: +3/6 vs lawful outsiders

+4 Inspire Heroics
+5 Pally Aura

Arre and Sulu: 90/93 Without Tumbling, this ac will last 3+min with an extended recitation.

Possible bonuses:
+3 Halfling (Heroic)
+4 Tumbling
= 100 bouncing around.

Shroud Weapon:
Kama. Air, Air, Air. Shocking, Shocking Burst, +4 Insight
When Air Procs, its another stacking +1 to AC.
100+ Possible!

If you want to read more about duel-wielding intimi-tanks, read this post: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=156796

or the listed in the below in the 2nd reply.

[Notorious]

This was the best I could get the AC to and still manage other key needs...

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=156949

[nbhs275]

This build is from Aleos, Guild Leader of Sovereign Blades and is a great AC build. I plan to modify it to be elf or drow elf to erase the size penalty for Intimidate and get it over 50 Intimidate, have more hp and damage with only slightly less AC... Yes, I know it is not a fighter, but considering it Intimidate focus, i thought it appropriate to be posted here.

Thanks Aleos for the build framework!

This is the Halfling
(3 Monk \ 1 Rogue \ 12 Ranger)
Hit Points: 222 - Since DPS isn't goal, I'd recomend Dusk Heart for 242, 10% Blur
(Ranger: 96 Monk: 24 Rogue: 6 Con: 32/48 Toughness: 36 Minos: 18 Favor: 10)
(Shroud Necklace, +25hp, 6wis, 10 Dip to 267hp)
BAB: 14\14\19\24


Base: 10
Dex: 13
Wis: 6
Armor: 7 (8 with the rare bracers)
Shield: 4
Natural: 5
Deflection: 5
Dodge: 8 (Icy Raiment, Chattering)
Centered: 1
Size: 1
Tempest: 2
Recitation: 2
Shroud: 4
CE: 5
Haste: 1
Realistic Total: 71 - Without Chattering or +8 Armors. Rest is semi-easy to come by...
Total: 75

This would put you at *76* Self buffed, without two-weapon-defense.

Using Kamas, in either Wind or Water stance you'd be at 76.
Switch a toughness for TWD for Self-buffed 77 AC.
Favored Defense: +3/6 vs lawful outsiders

+4 Inspire Heroics
+5 Pally Aura

Arre and Sulu: 90/93 Without Tumbling, this ac will last 3+min with an extended recitation.

Possible bonuses:
+3 Halfling (Heroic)
+4 Tumbling
= 100 bouncing around.

Shroud Weapon:
Kama. Air, Air, Air. Shocking, Shocking Burst, +4 Insight
When Air Procs, its another stacking +1 to AC.
100+ Possible!

Whats your Str going to start at? because i can really see this guy not being able to carry his own gear even. Also, what is the rogue level giving you? Just UMD?

Favored Defense only gives you +3 AC.


Also, please show me a halfling with the herioc buff.

Consider this.

10 base
8 armor bracers
8 dodge
4 shield
4 shroud
1 haste
2 recitation
4 bard
3 halfling
5 CE
5 natural
4 tumble

________________


58. 58 of your AC is completely dependant on outside buffs, and items and are not tied to your build at all. WHICH, means ANYONE whos obnioxiously well equiped and buffed can hit a similiarly large AC.

This build would be good in a total of 2-3 instances when intimidate tanks play a useful part of a raid. However in any other content this character would have as much use as a two legged stool.

[binnsr]

looks similar to my Unbreakable build, in characteristics, if not in class levels

I've got her at 6 and am pretty sure that she'll end up with a few less hitpoints than the build shows based on equipment slot issues that I didn't completely think through before ..

[binnsr]

This build would be good in a total of 2-3 instances when intimidate tanks play a useful part of a raid. However in any other content this character would have as much use as a two legged stool.

I've been running intimitanks since the beginning and can tell you that there's never a bad place to have an intimitank..

Can the job get done without an intimidator around? Sure, but it will usually cost the party more resources. Having a high-AC character (preferably with evasion) soaking up ALL of the agro means that the 14AC barbarian can go to town without having a cleric tied to his hip.. It also means that the rogue (remember those?) gets his full sneak attack ALL of the time. Between those two things, mobs are typically dead before the cleric realizes there was a fight..

[pepsi36]

drop a monk level take another rogue level and go for 15/3/2 ranger/rogue/monk at cap. Also switch to rapiers not kamas.

[nbhs275]

I've been running intimitanks since the beginning and can tell you that there's never a bad place to have an intimitank..

Can the job get done without an intimidator around? Sure, but it will usually cost the party more resources. Having a high-AC character (preferably with evasion) soaking up ALL of the agro means that the 14AC barbarian can go to town without having a cleric tied to his hip.. It also means that the rogue (remember those?) gets his full sneak attack ALL of the time. Between those two things, mobs are typically dead before the cleric realizes there was a fight..

Thing is, the intimitank build can be done much better then just raw AC and intimidate. When your only going to be hit on a 20 AT 65 AC, what is the point of giving up any Dps, DR, or Hp for an extra 30?

Consider that a dwarven Fighter 12/4 xyz can get the same 65 AC TWF, with high bonuses for damage in each hand, with an extra 150-200 hp. Far superior.

Also, intimitanks arent better in quests then a DPS character with high AC. Much rather have someone running up and killing the 10 mobs without a scratch, then someone running up, and distracting the 10 mobs for 30 seconds and in no way actually dealing with them.

[Notorious]

Whats your Str going to start at? because i can really see this guy not being able to carry his own gear even. Also, what is the rogue level giving you? Just UMD?

Favored Defense only gives you +3 AC.


Also, please show me a halfling with the herioc buff.

Consider this.

10 base
8 armor bracers
8 dodge
4 shield
4 shroud
1 haste
2 recitation
4 bard
3 halfling
5 CE
5 natural
4 tumble

________________


58. 58 of your AC is completely dependant on outside buffs, and items and are not tied to your build at all. WHICH, means ANYONE whos obnioxiously well equiped and buffed can hit a similiarly large AC.

This build would be good in a total of 2-3 instances when intimidate tanks play a useful part of a raid. However in any other content this character would have as much use as a two legged stool.

You need to read the 2nd post - and, I already have an intimidate tank something like this and not only leads in kills very often, at least 85%+ of the time, also, intimidates 95% of the time sucessfully. This post was just about AC and not really viable in the end, but your two comments couldn't be less accurate unless you just typed random letters.

[Notorious]

Thing is, the intimitank build can be done much better then just raw AC and intimidate. When your only going to be hit on a 20 AT 65 AC, what is the point of giving up any Dps, DR, or Hp for an extra 30?

Consider that a dwarven Fighter 12/4 xyz can get the same 65 AC TWF, with high bonuses for damage in each hand, with an extra 150-200 hp. Far superior.

Also, intimitanks arent better in quests then a DPS character with high AC. Much rather have someone running up and killing the 10 mobs without a scratch, then someone running up, and distracting the 10 mobs for 30 seconds and in no way actually dealing with them.

Again, read the 2nd post...

I have a TWF dwarf 15/1 wearing mith plate +5 and tremendous AC in some instances, but without the monk AC bonuses and the shield spell, you can't get as high and a 7 to 10 AC difference in the end is a huge difference.

[nbhs275]

You need to read the 2nd post - and, I already have an intimidate tank something like this and not only leads in kills 99% of the time, also, intimidates 95% of the time sucessfully. This post was just about AC and not really viable in the end, but your two comments couldn't be less accurate unless you just typed random letters.

im calling shenanigans on you leading the kills. Can you tell me the names of the gimpy ppl your running with that are letting a intimitank outkill them?

[Gol]

im calling shenanigans on you leading the kills. Can you tell me the names of the gimpy ppl your running with that are letting a intimitank outkill them?

/signed

[CSFurious]

no way

if you ran with just one good rogue, tempest or barb, you would never lead in kills

i would think an intimtank would want to run with at least one maybe even two good rogues & definitely ranger/barb

that is baloney or you must be running with pallies & fighters

my halfling 12 rogue/1 fighter had 90 kills in ritual normal last night & second with about 50 was my guildie playing his dwarf barb using minimal intimidation

with initimidation, my kills would have simply gone up & his down

im calling shenanigans on you leading the kills. Can you tell me the names of the gimpy ppl your running with that are letting a intimitank outkill them?

[Arkat]

im calling shenanigans on you leading the kills. Can you tell me the names of the gimpy ppl your running with that are letting a intimitank outkill them?

QFT

[Aranticus]

im calling shenanigans on you leading the kills. Can you tell me the names of the gimpy ppl your running with that are letting a intimitank outkill them?

while my fighter is not built for ac, he is able to reach 60+ in vod and has been the main tank many times. can i lead the kill count, i sure did once. thats because he rolled 20s like crazy that night

[totmacher]

lol @ leading in kills

[Notorious]

You guys are not the brighest bunch...

The build I lead in kills with almost every time is http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=156796

If you can't see how a 30 dex Tempest w/p 8 Fighter / 6 Ranger / 2 Monk will beat almost any build in kills, then you have no idea at all how stat damage works...

[iruka41]

You need to read the 2nd post - and, I already have an intimidate tank something like this and not only leads in kills 99% of the time, also, intimidates 95% of the time sucessfully. This post was just about AC and not really viable in the end, but your two comments couldn't be less accurate unless you just typed random letters.

Your Intimitank have lead in kills 99% of the time...?

That means you were in a bad or gimped or massed or unorganized or at least ineffective group 99% of the time...

I feel so sorry for that...

[Aeneas]

Bro, you really need to stop calling people stupid just because they disagree with you - it makes you look childish.

[iruka41]

You guys are not the brighest bunch...

The build I lead in kills with almost every time is http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=156796

If you can't see how a 30 dex Tempest w/p 8 Fighter / 6 Ranger / 2 Monk will beat almost any build in kills, then you have no idea at all how stat damage works...

That is a very nice build there. But, kill count wise, I just can't see how you lead 99% of the time.

First off, STR-based 8 Fighter / 6 Ranger / 2 Monk will outkill you.
Next, any Tempest+Rogue builds will outkill you.
Next, any 14 Barb / 2 Whatever will outkill you.
List goes on and on...

Sure they won't have higher AC than you, but they surely beat you in kill counts if played with the same skills in the same gears.


P.S. Why do you draw people's aggro by overdefending/overadvertising your already-cool-enough build?
There's tons of players in this forum who can find flaws in the build and hit with it.
Those comments could actually be very considerable if you're more acceptable.

[Notorious]

It isn't about disagreeing - I am reflecting on experience.

I will break it down nice and simple.

High Dex Tempest Rangers using good w/p will out kill almost any toon in most dungeons 99% of the time. It is the way stat damage works that makes it kill monsters faster. If you are hitting faster and more often with a weapon that kills once a monster reaches zero con, then you will kill faster than those trying to kill it with straight damage.

If you don't know this fact about ddo, then you know very little about stat damage.

The Intimitank I created is a Tempest Ranger with a 30 dex and w/p weaps. As a 8 Fighter / 6 Ranger / and 2 monk he is able to hit a very high AC and still have all the advantageous of a Tempest Ranger. Just because his AC and Intimidate are high doesn't mean his is still not a high dex Tempest Ranger with w/p weaps...

You'd have to be a little dim witter, unable to read, and/or know very little about stat damage to not grasp these points and from the comments above i am suspecting some of this.

So I will explain it again, A Tempest Ranger with a 30 dex and other to hit bonuses will lead in kills 99% of the time against even the highest DPS and well played barbs. It is the advantage of stat damage weaps. If the people responding think that is because of gimped groups, then they know very little, are not very bright or both. I am not speculating and this is not about agreeing with me, I am describing how the three different LVL 16 Tempest Rangers I have (and 1 LVL 10) will kill and have out killed almost any toon in most dungeons. It is the way the game is designed.

It just so happens that may latest tempest ranger can also intimidate, has high AC and a 20 DR...