You Got Served!!!

[Rune_Darkfire]

But can we please bring back some difficulty in these games ? Can we have some consequences ? Can we have some kind of REAL accomplishment. Where's my "Deck of Many Things" feeling ? Where's the "Are we sure we want to continue forward or should we turn back now?" wrenching moments? Who cares ? Nothing has any meaning to it cause it's all too freakin easy. To "made for general consumption". Too much appealing to the lowest common denominator.

I would play on the server. A server where it really meant something to come up against a beholder. Where low level wizards are running for their lives. Where liches and dragons are what they are supposed to be. Bad ass. Where raid loot isn't a dime a dozen. Where I am not outfitting my umpteenth toon with 5 pieces of raid loot.

Where I feel like I am actually playing D&D.

This piece of that message is GOLD. People (including devs and otherwise) should really read this and the results could be very eye-opening indeed.

[deepshadow]

I'd love to see a PD server, but there is another way.

Setup guild rules which can be customized based on the guild. Some simple rules or a flag would prevent the use of ress shrines if you were a member of that guild. If you died, and released, you'd be disbanded from the guild or effectively dead, but free to play outside of that guild of course. This would give many players who can't imagine Permadeath an easy out since they wouldn't lose their characters.

I know many PD guilds use additional rules, and perhaps some of these could be included in a guild management application. My Guilds Customized PermaDeath Rules

On Argo, we have quite a few people running PD, and I don't think it would be a bad thing to support Permadeath in the game abit.

The beauty of PnP is that there are so many ways to play the game. In my groups, Ressing was unheard of. When you died, you were done, rerolled. It would take acts of divine intervention to change this and it just never happened. Given the current state of MMO's, I don't see any game supporting even the most basic Permadeath game play. Turbine could widen our niche a bit if they built in just a little more support for Permdeath.

[Borror0]

People saying the devs shouldn't "waste time" on this are totally selfish.

We're not selfish, but realistic.

What you want is to play by a long list of pre-set rules. Well, let me tell you what: you can set them yourself! No twinking? Don't twink. Permadeath? Delete your character after death. Can only use rest shrine once? Well, use it only once! You can acheive the same thing by no coding at all. So, tell me why they would code it?

I don't see the piont. If you want to play permadeath, just join Subline or Nortal Voyage and play by their rules.

No coding needed.

[branmakmuffin]

This piece of that message is GOLD. People (including devs and otherwise) should really read this and the results could be very eye-opening indeed.

The problem is that the game is so Monty Haul. I'd like to play it where if I had a +1 weapon at 5th level, I'd think I'd struck pay dirt. If the game weren't so gear-dependent, skills (swimming, anyone?) and feats would mean a lot more because you wouldn't be able to rely on gear to do the work for you.

[Borror0]

If the game weren't so gear-dependent, skills (swimming, anyone?) and feats would mean a lot more because you wouldn't be able to rely on gear to do the work for you.

I'll agree with this statement. Turbine have been too generous on gear from the start.

[Shattergod]

The problem is that the game is so Monty Haul. I'd like to play it where if I had a +1 weapon at 5th level, I'd think I'd struck pay dirt. If the game weren't so gear-dependent, skills (swimming, anyone?) and feats would mean a lot more because you wouldn't be able to rely on gear to do the work for you.

I have, and I'm not kidding here... begun to measure the value of a quest based on the number of treasure chests it contains.

When was the last time you really did that?

My Pally is nearly level 4... and she's weilding a +1 longsword.

It make me feel like a badass.

This is the first character where I actually have those ever useless one minute duration shield of faith pots on my hotbar.... just in case.

[boldarblood]

This post is longer and more varied in scope than I first intended. My lunch break is over so I have to post the jumbled mess I have-


People saying the devs shouldn't "waste time" on this are totally selfish. I don't really care for d20 pvp but it was still worth the time to get that in. I don't play on RP type servers but that doesn't mean it's a waste of their time if they want to look at setting that up. The devs should spend time on ideas that appeal to several different groups.

Has nothing to do with being selfish.

Turbine has given limited resources to the world of DDO, and there is so few content and bug fix's can take awhile to get into the game. Forums have plenty of posts on both issues. When you create a new server, with a different ruleset, you now introduce the potential for new bugs. The devs would be spread to thin to get anything worthwhile done. I think it is in the best interest of Turbine and the devs to work on one ruleset that affect the vast majority, not the minority in this case.

Especially when you can already play this way, there are guilds dedicated to it. Why would you join one of these guilds if you plan to cheat yourself of the style of play that is being offered. If someone does not have the self-restrain to live by the spirit of the rules of the guild then they are fools for joining in the first place.

I would rather see the devs spend there time working on new content, fixing bugs that affect all servers. Creating a new perma death world server would spread the resources to thin. With less content and less bug fixing, because are devs are now doing 2 different rulesets, there would be less reason for people to continue to play. Subscriptions would drop.

If you want to call that selfish, that's fine with me.

[silverraven]

People saying the devs shouldn't "waste time" on this are totally selfish. I don't really care for d20 pvp but it was still worth the time to get that in. I don't play on RP type servers but that doesn't mean it's a waste of their time if they want to look at setting that up. The devs should spend time on ideas that appeal to several different groups.

PvP was something that is worthwhile it may not be for you, it isn't for me, but because the end justifies the means it makes sense.

Obscure analogy that might not make sense:
"If you want a bearskin rug, go and shot it yourself rather having a company wipe out a species of bear to sell you that rug."

[branmakmuffin]

I'll agree with this statement. Turbine have been too generous on gear from the start.

I'd like to see a less gear-dependent game. Of course, as you move on to the tougher monsters, the game demands 00ber gear.

[Borror0]

I'd like to see a less gear-dependent game. Of course, as you move on to the tougher monsters, the game demands 00ber gear.

Yeah, that's a big mistake Turbine did and keeps on doing. Shroud Crafting was...

[Pellegro]

I think we all agree that more options is good.

The real issue is how much work would it really be to implement this.

I'd like to think that if it meant 1 dev spending a day or 2, we'd all agree its well worth it.

Unfortunately, it would probably take more. But how much more? Who knows.

I played PD up to lvl 3 or so on Thelanis and it is a lot of fun. Especially when you're getting bored/burnt-out and have run lvl 1-5 quests 1,000,000 times.

[parvo]

You shouldn't think. If this is an example your not good at it.

Just teasing. But what would make you think this. There are hardly any permadeath players to start with. Enough to justify their own server, no way at all.

Hmm...think again. MV is one of the most active (non-anon) guilds on Argo. But no, we don't need a seperate server. In a lot of ways a seperate server would hurt PD play. Players would go there not to challenge themselves but grind out easy XP to epeeen out. Magic comodities should be removed from all servers, but not because of PD.

[GeneralDiomedes]

The main point about a non-twink PD guild is that everyone is on the same playing field gear-wise so teamwork and skill can get more focus, not so we still have +1 longswords at level 6. People generally have decent equipment. Not Raid gear, but still good stuff. As soon as you allow twinking, the auction house or endless loot running, large equipment gaps can result.

[parvo]

The main point about a non-twink PD guild is that everyone is on the same playing field gear-wise so teamwork and skill can get more focus, not so we still have +1 longswords at level 6. People generally have decent equipment. Not Raid gear, but still good stuff. As soon as you allow twinking, the auction house or endless loot running, large equipment gaps can result.

Tri purpose really. Decreased disparity between characters of the same level, reasonable equipment for the task and renewed individual economic strategy (not the dynasty kind of economic strategy). There is still some disparity. Luck, skill and haggle will do that, but it's not huge. There are still times when a character may not have reasonable equipment for the task, but there are lots of tasks to choose from. The economic strategy plays out very well with high haggle characters having nice stuff and no-haggle characters getting by with their other talents. A nice balance for certain character types.