Build that best benefits from Bladesworn Transformation?

[Uproar]

I double-dog-dare you to link (or display) that build!

=) Thank you.

[Uproar]

Ok, I'll start with a potential build that fits the Titan persona at least,

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Level 16 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(16 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 360
Spell Points: 125 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 8
Will: 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             18                    24
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         20                    24
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                6                     6
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 16

                 Feat/Enhancement
                  Modified Skills
Skills             (Level 16)
Balance                  0
Concentration            9
Intimidate              -1
Jump                     5
Repair                   0
Spot                    -2
Swim                    -3
Tumble                  -5
Use Magic Device        n/a

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Adamantine Body


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Bladesworn Transformation
Enhancement: Follower of the Lord of Blades
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Warforged Combat Training I
Enhancement: Warforged Combat Training II
Enhancement: Warforged Combat Training III
Enhancement: Warforged Combat Training IV
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics I

[Aeneas]

I think i'd need to know more about what you can and cannot do while transformed.

[NullWolf]

I think i'd need to know more about what you can and cannot do while transformed.

I think this info is a little old, but:

You are a devoted follower of the Lord of Blades, and your faith has been rewarded. Activate this ability to become a juggernaut of destruction for 60 seconds. You have a +4 profane bonus to Strength, a +4 natural armor bonus to AC, a +4 profane bonus on damage rolls, and proficiency in all simple and martial weapons. Your base attack bonus equals your character level. You have lost your spellcasting ability. You have immunity to critical hits and sneak attacks, but cannot be healed by healing spells. Cooldown: 20 minutes.

Someone please update this as needed...

[Uproar]

I could use an update on the description too. Good idea!

[hu-flung-pu]

That's what it lists on the enhancement in game.

Whether it's accurate or not I can't say. I've got a cleric that has it. But I think the cool down is closer to five or ten minutes, but I haven't tested it.

I'm building up a paladin slowly but surely with a 24 point build for this enhancement.

Instead of pure paladin, I'd just go to level 6 and then 6 levels of ranger and the rest Fighter. Or just all Ranger for 10 levels of the free two handed weapon feats enhancements, and spells.

In concept a dual wielding khopesh ranger/paladin would rock the socks off of people. Everytime you can activate your bladesworn transformation

I'll go check and see if I can use potions with it on or not.

Edit:

One minute boost with ten minute cool down.

You can still down repair potions to heal yourself. Repair spells are still unkown.

I haven't been able to test the damage but I see no reason why it wouldn't work as intended.

And you lose ALL casting for the one minute you're in the transformation state.

[Qzipoun]

Does repair/reconstruct also not work?

[RACRGUY]

You are a devoted follower of the Lord of Blades, and your faith has been rewarded. Activate this ability to become a juggernaut of destruction for 60 seconds. You have a +4 profane bonus to Strength, a +4 natural armor bonus to AC, a +4 profane bonus on damage rolls, and proficiency in all simple and martial weapons. Your base attack bonus equals your character level. You have lost your spellcasting ability. You have immunity to critical hits and sneak attacks, but cannot be healed by healing spells. Cooldown: 10 minutes.

Only one change, in bold.

[RACRGUY]

Does repair/reconstruct also not work?

Can be repaired, not cured.

[hu-flung-pu]

Overall not a bad trade off. But I'd like to see it last a bit longer, another minute would make it an awesome enhancement. Maybe bladesworn transformation 2 increases duration and another +2 to STR AC and damage?

[Falco_Easts]

Can be repaired, not cured.

Lay on Hands has full effect also

[Uproar]

While I'd love to see it last longer, 10minute reuse is much nicer then 20... that means in the average quest run I could use it 2 maybe 3 times. That seems decent enough to be counted upon.

I think the trick to making a good build would be to have a High AC, High Strength build.

I'm not very good at building for high AC....

[Wizzly_Bear]

..

[Uproar]

Arcane Only and Not divine? Hmm, I never read it that way before. So a WF Cleric in Adamantine armor suffers no extra spell failure rate? If true, WOW. I really wish I'd realized that before. Thanks for the enlightenment.

As to a high Strength, high AC build, here is my first stab. I'm going to try again swapping Fighter and Paladin levels around a bit as this one only gets one extra lay on hands and I'd like more for healing, but it otherwise fits the bill I think.

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Level 16 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(8 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 282
Spell Points: 70 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 11
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity            12                    14
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               14                    16
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15

                 Feat/Enhancement
                  Modified Skills
Skills             (Level 16)
Balance                  6
Concentration           10
Heal                     4
Hide                     2
Intimidate              -1
Jump                    22
Listen                   3
Move Silently            2
Repair                  -1
Spot                     4
Swim                     8
Tumble                   3

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 7 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Bladesworn Transformation
Enhancement: Follower of the Lord of Blades
Enhancement: Disciple of Pebbles
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness II


Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Critical
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light I
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking III
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics II

So when fully geared with +6 dex, +6 str, +6 wis items, I think this would have something like the following AC calculation (correct me please if wrong),
10 base AC
+2 Composite plating
+5 Dex bonus
+6 Wis bonus
+6 docent
+5 deflection
+2 chaosgarde
+1 dodge
+2 defensive fighting
---
39 AC

+5 ranger buffs
+2 paladin chant
+4 bard buffs
+2 cleric buffs
+1 arcane buffs
---
53 AC

+4 fighter buff (lasts 20 second, if allowed in/or just prior to Bladesworn Transformation)
+4 Bladesworn Transformation
---
61 AC

Does evasion figure into this? Anything else I may have missed?

Strength should be 36 when transformed, not counting buffs and chant which should push it up of 40.

*** edited to fix fighter buff from 3 -> 4 AC ***

[Harncw]

yeah DIVINE spells have no ARCANE spell failure

and if you are making a build around bladesworn transformation, I fear you may end up disapointed.

EDIT seems we are talking about both pally and cleric... could be cool on a pally but on a cleric not worth it IMHO... (I have lvl 16 WF cleric)

[Turial]

....

So when fully geared with +6 dex, +6 str, +6 wis items, I think this would have something like the following AC calculation (correct me please if wrong),
10 base AC
+2 Composite plating
+5 Dex bonus
+6 Wis bonus
+6 docent
+5 deflection
+2 chaosgarde
+1 dodge
+2 defensive fighting
---
39 AC

+5 ranger buffs
+2 paladin chant
+4 bard buffs
+2 cleric buffs
+1 arcane buffs
---
53 AC

+3 fighter buff (lasts 20 second, if allowed in/or just prior to Bladesworn Transformation)
+4 Bladesworn Transformation
---
60 AC

Does evasion figure into this? Anything else I may have missed?

Strength should be 36 when transformed, not counting buffs and chant which should push it up of 40.

I dont think that bladesworn and barkskin stack...granted one is an enhancement and the other is a natural armor bonus. In all other cases like this they have not stacked. Mind checking when you next log in to see.

Also I was wondering when someone would finally build a paladin that would take advantage of the monk WIS ac bonus to lessen the disadvantage of two-handed AC. Nice work.

[Venar]

Too bad this buff is totally useless.


+4 natural armor: useless with a ranger in the group
proficiency in weapons: useless on a paladin
BaB = level: useless on a paladin
Immunity to critics and sneaks: useless with heavy fort, and that's easy to get on a warforged really.

So basically, you trade off spellcasting and healing for +4 STR and +4 Dmg. Can't cast divine favor for a minute...

I don't know, i don't see how this weak action boost with a 10 minutes timer comes even close to be as good as Unyielding Sovereignty.

[Uproar]

Thanks Turial for the barkskin vs. transformation... probably a good catch. I can't test yet, maybe someone else can? If not, I will later in the week and post back (once I hit 6th level).

If barkskin doesn't add Vener your criticisms of the buff are likely accurate. DEVs why give us something useless? Is it?

As promised, build with 2 more levels of Paladin, otherwise fairly similar to previous build... I think I like this one much better.

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Level 16 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(6 Fighter \ 8 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 297
Spell Points: 106 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 12
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity            12                    14
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               14                    16
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15

                 Feat/Enhancement
                  Modified Skills
Skills             (Level 16)
Balance                  6
Concentration           10
Heal                     4
Hide                     2
Intimidate              -1
Jump                    21
Listen                   3
Move Silently            2
Repair                  -1
Spot                     4
Swim                     8
Tumble                   3

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 7 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Bladesworn Transformation
Enhancement: Follower of the Lord of Blades
Enhancement: Disciple of Pebbles
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I


Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave


Level 14 (Fighter)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light I
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking III
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics II

Recalculating AC:
10 base AC
+2 Composite plating
+5 Dex bonus
+6 Wis bonus
+6 docent
+5 deflection
+2 chaosgarde
+1 dodge
+2 defensive fighting
---
39 AC

+5 ranger buffs (now questionable)
+3 paladin chant
+4 bard buffs
+2 cleric buffs
+1 arcane buffs
---
54 AC (49 to 54 depending on barkskin overlap)

+3 fighter buff (lasts 20 second, if allowed in/or just prior to Bladesworn Transformation)
+4 Bladesworn Transformation
---
61 AC

[Turial]

...
So basically, you trade off spellcasting and healing for +4 STR and +4 Dmg. Can't cast divine favor for a minute...

I don't know, i don't see how this weak action boost with a 10 minutes timer comes even close to be as good as Unyielding Sovereignty.

Well you cant cast your own spells or recieve divine healing. LOH and repair still work. You should be getting to a point where your divine favor will last longer then the transformation as well so its more of an inconvenient partial rage.

I have long thought that the cool down on this ability needs to be like 5 min vs 10. Or they could just make it an exclusive warforged buff (tied to alignment) rather then one tied to the paladin class and give forged paladins something else.

[Music_Man]

Heh, so I stumbled upon this. I'm a fan of unconventional oddball builds, so if you want a good Bladesworn Transformation Toon I give you the basics for mine:

Noobitron 2 Barbarian / 13 Cleric / 1 Fighter - Chaotic Good

Adamantine Plating
Power Attack
Maximize
Extend
Improved Critical Slashing
Mental Toughness
Toughness

Much more fun than practical, yet surprisingly functional.

He uses greatswords to benefit from the +1 Lord of Blades Enhancement. Generally an Elemental Mastery Greensteel Greatsword (started as Tempered, to allow +10 concentration because of no quicken and to allow more freedom with item slots)
Wears Docent of Corpsecraft for the Devotion/Nullification.

Very very fun to play.
I hope you roll your own Bladesworn Toon -- It's pretty fun.