Stat damage to names

[Ghoste]

Painstaking? Nah, that one was found out of wanting to mock said raid bosses. It was quite simple to test Queen Lailat with a Titanic Docent and my Chaotic Neutrality means no damage from the True Chaos or Unholy Burst (and resist sonic to negate the sonic strikes). Being able to stand next to her and watch her hit me for no damage over and over was just one of those joyful little moments.

The testing of the Warforged Titan came out of sheer survival when I was attempting to solo it. Knocking that blender damage down is lifesaving at times.

Oooo, I'm curious as to what methods you were using to knock himdown and fire laser at same time. Have pondered that one myself. Or was that pre trip immunity?

[Varr]

Very nice........I bet beholders hate hearing your coming to their lair...........

So...... waves of fatigue.......-6/-6
Trick a melee into a strength sapper for -6/-6
Get a casting that lands of symbol of weakness.........-10.5 str

Fight pretty much straight thru against a fiend with - 22 str/-12 dex.

-11 pts of damage per hit and -11 to hit for the baddie, and -6 to ac.


This seems pretty no brainer ish. Ive ignored (obviously) strenght sapping weapons.......are there ranged versions?

[Merkinsal]

Very nice........I bet beholders hate hearing your coming to their lair...........

Feeblemind works great against beholders.
"Causes the enemy's Intelligence and Charisma levels each to drop to 1, giving it roughly the intelligence of a lizard. A successful Will save negates this effect."

I picked this up specifically for beholders and it works great. They are unable to do anything, except try to bite you lol. Harder to land in the Underground but much easier elsewhere. I have lately been landing it easlily enough on elite in Rainbow, on the orange named beholder at the optional chest. FoD is a fortitude save and Feeblemind is a will save. I think beholder's will saves are a little lower.

[MrCow]

sapping weapons.......are there ranged versions?

Yes, Strength Sapping comes on any weapon type.

Feeblemind works great against beholders.

Feeblemind has a save.

Waves of Exhaustion has no save and produces no sound. Couple that with a Ray of Enfeeblement (no save either, but does produce sound) and you have a guaranteed 1-2 punch to stop a beholder from firing eyebeams.

[MrCow]

Oooo, I'm curious as to what methods you were using to knock himdown and fire laser at same time. Have pondered that one myself. Or was that pre trip immunity?

This was just after module 7, so including the tricky knockdowns. However, I don't want to spoil the puzzle that is soloing the Titan, but I will provide you with a clue that you have to take the pillars down from the top in the rafters so you have enough time to fall down onto the laser controls.

[Kylin11]

I was able to enervation kill the red named stuff in redwillow elite, so red names do not appear to have a special immunity.

Also, I hung around and tested the other stuff on the first troll in there. By the end, he was barely able to hit me on a 20 where at the start almost every hit connected. I killed him in one shot with a 7th level scorching ray wand his hp was so low after 7 enervations. The non-named trolls around him required a max-empower 11th level to kill in one shot as a max 11th left them with a little left. Damage he did per hit was unaffected of course. Saves still inconclusive, but I imagine they were lowered too.

It does not show up in examine.

[Blazer]

I was able to enervation kill the red named stuff in redwillow elite, so red names do not appear to have a special immunity.

Also, I hung around and tested the other stuff on the first troll in there. By the end, he was barely able to hit me on a 20 where at the start almost every hit connected. I killed him in one shot with a 7th level scorching ray wand his hp was so low after 7 enervations. Damage he did was unaffected of course. Saves still inconclusive, but I imagine they were lowered too.

It does not show up in examine.

I think you're going to have to check again, sir. The majority of the named stuff in there (like the troll you enervated several times) is in fact, an orange name, not a red name. I believe the only red name there is the end boss giant, but I shall run it tonight to double check. Feel free to come with me if you are on Khyber, my chars are in my sig.

[Kylin11]

I think you're going to have to check again, sir. The majority of the named stuff in there (like the troll you enervated several times) is in fact, an orange name, not a red name. I believe the only red name there is the end boss giant, but I shall run it tonight to double check. Feel free to come with me if you are on Khyber, my chars are in my sig.

Someone finally told me that was supposed to be orange, but it looks REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY close to the boss red on my screen. I changed it to pink now, so that won't happen again. Going to look for a boss boss now.

[Kylin11]

The giant at the end did end up not very effected by enervate, if at all. The mystery of why I could enervate "red bosses" is now solved I guess, never to be a problem again, since the minibosses are pink now for extra differentiation.

Sorry for the red herring.

[Blazer]

The giant at the end did end up not very effected by enervate, if at all. The mystery of why I could enervate "red bosses" is now solved I guess, never to be a problem again, since the minibosses are pink now for extra differentiation.

Sorry for the red herring.

NP, glad to have gotten this cleared up. Would hate to see you in a group spamming the boss with enervate thinking you're helping, only to have the other party members asking you what the heck you were doing.

[Merkinsal]

.............If this works and actually does work.......not just show up on the buff list like both fatigue and exhastion do currently, why would every raiding of the hound, shroud, vision, (ive even been using in reaver for fun) insist on it for non sorcs. Not saying I promote spell and play style demands........

Actually, sorcs have been carrying this stuff for a long time. I mention this because I don't want inexperienced players to be under the impression they need a wiz, not a sorc, in their group. In fact, this thread you brought here started in the sorc forum.

[Varr]

Ah, I read the formus for entertainment almost every day, and have not seen this debuffing type of thread recently.........so I must have missed the sorc thread your talking about. Im also not suggesting sorcs be skipped over for wizards, but Im not sure I agree with you saying that sorcs have been carrying this stuff for a long time either.........unless your talking about scroll form? Most every thread I read about what are your level 6 spells, what are your level 7 spells............the primary spell Ive been talking about is waves of fatigue at level 7. Dont think a great % of the sorc population is carrying that as a loaded spell. Can see the waves of exahustion at level 5 I suppose due to the weakness of level 5 spells selection.

[Merkinsal]

Ah, I read the formus for entertainment almost every day, and have not seen this debuffing type of thread recently.........so I must have missed the sorc thread your talking about. Im also not suggesting sorcs be skipped over for wizards, but Im not sure I agree with you saying that sorcs have been carrying this stuff for a long time either.........unless your talking about scroll form? Most every thread I read about what are your level 6 spells, what are your level 7 spells............the primary spell Ive been talking about is waves of fatigue at level 7. Dont think a great % of the sorc population is carrying that as a loaded spell. Can see the waves of exahustion at level 5 I suppose due to the weakness of level 5 spells selection.

You have that a little backwards. Waves of Exhaustion is 7 for -6 dex and -6 str, fatigue is lvl 5 for -2 -2. And you are correct, not many sorcs carry the spell as level 7 although many sorcs speced for end game do. I carry the scrolls. I have to roll 14 with the Feats Spell Pen and Greater Spell Pen to hit in VoD. Although I have not seen that number myself in VoD I have seen it in Shroud and they apear to be the same. A caster with the spell loaded, with the Feats Spell Pen and Greater Spell Pen, and all three spell pen enhancements has to roll 11, if they carry that and many wizards or sorcs do not. Enhancements apply to spells and not scrolls and the three enhancements are the only difference in Spell Pen.

As for Symbol of Weakness, this is only a spell but has a fortutude save and would be hard to land on the VoD boss.

[Merkinsal]

P.S. I keep bringing this topic up because I want to help the party and know the game blah blah blah lol. More closer to home, many pugs this summer seem to be weaker than I am used to seeing. A little in the Shroud and the Underground, but mostly elsewhere in Vale and Gianthold. When pugs are plentiful and stacked with top geared characters, they don't need or care if someone is casting this stuff but when characters can only hit on an 18, things need to change lol. Of course with the trend the game is taking, harder bosses and mobs, this becomes more and more important to conserve cleric resourses and mitigage some of that expensive damage to armour I keep hearing about. Expensive repair bills, using three sets of armour a raid etc.

[VirieSquichie]

Painstaking? Nah, that one was found out of wanting to mock said raid bosses. It was quite simple to test Queen Lailat with a Titanic Docent and my Chaotic Neutrality means no damage from the True Chaos or Unholy Burst (and resist sonic to negate the sonic strikes). Being able to stand next to her and watch her hit me for no damage over and over was just one of those joyful little moments.

The testing of the Warforged Titan came out of sheer survival when I was attempting to solo it. Knocking that blender damage down is lifesaving at times.

Ouch, Lailat gets Punk'd by MrCow...

Keep up the good work!