Shroud healing

[Aranticus]

he's not, he's saying your answer was unreasonable. and that perhaps op should take it with a grain of salt.

I doubt that I'm the only person that created a cleric before he understood the difference between ddo and pnp. and i also doubt that everyone rerolled them once they figured out how bad a 14 or 16 starting wisdom was. the question was how does a normal person do this, not powergamer. I will not solo heal the shroud unless i plan ahead that i will burn through pots. and i'm not likely to play my cleric in vod until the level cap goes up(sorry maddmatt, its too expensive and too many unreasonable expectations).

I've always been one of those that said clerics should stop whining about the cost and improve their play. i almost always had sp's left/ shrines available until i hit top end quests on elite(even with my gimpy cleric). then you bite the bullet and use pots/scrolls. thats just not true anymore. if you don't have top gear/32 pt solid build your not gonna keep up with solo shroud and the new quests.

a figure of 400-500sp left over was quoted. a decent L16 cleric with maxed out wis (pop x) will have approx 1500 sp. 1800-400 = 1400. that decent cleric will have about 100 sp left. so even a decently built cleric will be able to do it (provided that player is skilled in solo healing)

[Gunga]

Been the solo healer 6 or so times..

The following is not made specifically in response to this post, but to every ****ing post you've made in the past week:

I'd like to witness your uberness firsthand. In my humble and limited experience, talkers can barely get out of their own way. But you're probably different. Maybe I'll take a trip over to the khyber wastelands during the next spell of hazy MOD-boredom.

Until then, I'll have to sit here idly and read of your greatness.

[seldarin]

he's not, he's saying your answer was unreasonable. and that perhaps op should take it with a grain of salt.

I doubt that I'm the only person that created a cleric before he understood the difference between ddo and pnp. and i also doubt that everyone rerolled them once they figured out how bad a 14 or 16 starting wisdom was. the question was how does a normal person do this, not powergamer. I will not solo heal the shroud unless i plan ahead that i will burn through pots. and i'm not likely to play my cleric in vod until the level cap goes up(sorry maddmatt, its too expensive and too many unreasonable expectations).

I've always been one of those that said clerics should stop whining about the cost and improve their play. i almost always had sp's left/ shrines available until i hit top end quests on elite(even with my gimpy cleric). then you bite the bullet and use pots/scrolls. thats just not true anymore. if you don't have top gear/32 pt solid build your not gonna keep up with solo shroud and the new quests.

Whilst im quite sure that a lot of people will disagree with me, starting with 16 wisdom isnt bad. What does an 18 wisdom get you as opposed to a 16? An extra 100 spell points maybe, +1 to will saves, not a whole lot more. Not what i would call a game breaking situation and certainly not enough to warrant rerolling my lvl 16 cleric with over 2500 favour, just so i can change my wisdom to 18, in addition to having to rerun all those raids to get the raid items again. A decent party leader will work with the limitations they have, rather than expect that every cleric is a 32 pt build, has 1800 spell pts, 300 scrolls, 50 mana pots and every raid item to enable them to spam mass cures for 1 spell point each. Bit of an exaggeration i know, but you get the gist of what i mean. It is unrealistic to expect a cleric to have everything imagineable thing under the sun, JUST for healing. That would be like me having the unrealistic expectation that every single fighter i come across will have healing pots, remove curse/blindness/disease etc, greater resist items etc, rather than be screaming out for a fire resist every five seconds.

The only times i have whined about the cost is when i am needlessly expending resources because a party member has been too cheap to buy some basic essentials, (one response i got once was, thats what the cleric is for), but will think nothing of spending a couple of mill GP on that fancy +5 Mithral FP that looks a bit better than the one they already have. Do i expect every fighter to have everything that will take mobs down the quickest, no i dont. Should everyone expect a cleric to have all the bells and whistles, no they shouldnt. Can i improve my cleric, quite possibly so, do i do a bad job of healing, i dont believe so from comments i have had passed onto me. My cleric is an original 28pt build, starting with 16 wisdom, has 17 Dvs with 22 Charisma, can hit a little and has ok hitpoints. I dont crit heal for 600 or 700 and to be honest i dont really care, for someone to say that a cleric should/must have this or that, i think is being very narrowminded and utilising and elitist mindset, note there i didnt say elite mindset, there is a difference between and elite player and an elitist.

Just as an added note, i have seen 32 pt clerics with gear being taken down in one shot from old harry with delayed blast fireball, all the max wisdom, 1800 spell pts didnt do them much good did it? Its not about items/spell pts/max stats, its about how well you play what you have, im quite sure that in the right hands a 16 wisdom cleric can do just as good a job solo healing as a 32 pt build cleric.

[Gunga]

I dont crit heal for 600 or 700 and to be honest i dont really care, for someone to say that a cleric should/must have this or that, i think is being very narrowminded and utilising and elitist mindset, note there i didnt say elite mindset, there is a difference between and elite player and an elitist.

Just as an added note, i have seen 32 pt clerics with gear being taken down in one shot from old harry with delayed blast fireball, all the max wisdom, 1800 spell pts didnt do them much good did it? Its not about items/spell pts/max stats, its about how well you play what you have, im quite sure that in the right hands a 16 wisdom cleric can do just as good a job solo healing as a 32 pt build cleric.

I understand what you are saying. But, my 28 pt cleric crit heals for 1200 and has never been one-shotted by harry (two-shotted maybe...). For whatever it's worth...

[Aranticus]

The following is not made specifically in response to this post, but to every ****ing post you've made in the past week:

I'd like to witness your uberness firsthand. In my humble and limited experience, talkers can barely get out of their own way. But you're probably different. Maybe I'll take a trip over to the khyber wastelands during the next spell of hazy MOD-boredom.

Until then, I'll have to sit here idly and read of your greatness.

he is as what he says. i've been there, seen it

[seldarin]

I understand what you are saying. But, my 28 pt cleric crit heals for 1200 and has never been one-shotted by harry (two-shotted maybe...). For whatever it's worth...

Any toons got 1200 hitpoints?

[Gunga]

he is as what he says. i've been there, seen it

Thank God for that; there truly is a Hero of Stormreach in our midst.

[Aranticus]

Thank God for that; there truly is a Hero of Stormreach in our midst.

hero? not quite but he does have excellent skills. this is not just limited to him alone. there are others as good, if not better than him, the only difference is hes more vocal

the others that come into mind are mavnemo, soulzen

[Gunga]

hero? not quite but he does have excellent skills. this is not just limited to him alone. there are others as good, if not better than him, the only difference is hes more vocal

the others that come into mind are mavnemo, soulzen

I'll choose my own hero, Shugar.

[Aspenor]

I'll choose my own hero, Shugar.

I choose Batman.

[Thrudh]

he is as what he says. i've been there, seen it

I appreciate his advice actually, but he himself admitted that 3 or 4 of those 6 times he's solo-clericed his group took the Pit Fiend down in one round....

ANYONE can solo heal for ONE round... so yeah he sounds like he's a very good cleric... but solo healing the Shroud with a super uber DPS group doesn't prove anything....

But still, many thanks for the advice... I respecced my feats and enhancements... I got rid of Maximize, and picked up Empower Healing (and the enhancements for Empower Healing)... My healing went down a little, but my SP costs went down a LOT...

Still on timer, but I'm looking forward to trying the Shroud again with the new configuration.

[moops]

LOL
I do play with 2 700 pt WF--one without any healing bonus, so when I crit like that it goes a long way

Any toons got 1200 hitpoints?

[maddmatt70]

Thank God for that; there truly is a Hero of Stormreach in our midst.

I have only mentioned that in two actual posts. There really is no way to not sound like a braggart. Honestly trying to help folks at least experience a different healing style which if they don't like they can switch back.

There is also a good possiblity that the 9th level cleric spell mass heal will come and dramatically change healing styles. I might end up getting rid of empower healing when mass heal comes out if all I do is cast mass heal and I don't need it enhanced, i.e. the best style could be a non metamagic one at that point.

[shane1122]

Not what i would call a game breaking situation and certainly not enough to warrant rerolling my lvl 16 cleric with over 2500 favour

Seldarin, just to be clear, I am not disagreeing with you or anyone else about this. The OP asked how to solo cleric Shroud pt 4 and have mana to spare. A cleric that is not custom built to do such a thing probably can't. That does not mean that any cleric w/o 1700-1800 spell points and a 38 Wis is a bad character.

I come from old PnP stock and prefer Characters over Toons (so don't dare reroll your 2500 favor cleric). A Character is built to reflect a player's preferences and tastes. Its feats, enhancements, etc maybe even match a back story the player has created.

A Toon is created using a character planner to ensure every possible Stat, Action Point, etc is used only to maximize a desired end result (massive damage, massive healing, etc). This is what the newest Raid content was clearly designed for.

For better or worst, the last two Mods have made Toons necessary to take on the highest level Raid content. Some may disagree, but 12 Characters just are not going to be running 25 minute Shrouds or VoD on elite. If that is not the player's goal, then it really does not matter. However, it is also the reason so many are complaining about the expense of being a cleric... they are running content designed for Toons with Characters.

When people post in the Forums about their 95 AC Ranger, Tank that hits for 700 HP, and Sorc with 2600 SP Turbine thinks this is the "norm" and Raids are designed for Toons with these types of Stats.

-Shane

[Desteria]

Let me just give the OP a few more tips.

Regarding mass cure scrolls you can upgrade the mass cure scrolls with scroll mastery enhancements. This is a very good idea and I recommend at least the 2nd enhancement if not the 3rd or 4th depending on your build. I use scrolls alot of times as toppers. I top people off when their red bards are a little down, but don't use spells. This is not always the cheapest strategy, but if you need to conserve mana and don't want to drink a mana pot down the road sometimes it is a good strategy. In the shroud I use scroll alot less these days of course because there is no need, but in VOD I live on the stuff.

I am very biased towards empower healing. I like it alot. I had the max clerical enhancements in it in like mod 4. I never take it off. The necklace from the hound makes this style even stronger. Alot of clerics have maximize and empower for their bb and have elected to go without empower healing. The good clerics who have this build have a more conservative mana approach. They will typically have maximize and empower on alot, but will cast a mass spell when their targets health has gone down lower then me and thus preserve mana efficiency and they use toppers. Another type of cleric style is to not use toppers, but have empower healing and do a similar mana approach to the maximize/empower style. Healing definitely has several styles that can be successful, but I have to say that bb is not a hugely important spell this mod. It just is not really needed in the content so if I were a maximize/empower cleric I would quite honestly consider dropping empower and picking up empower healing. I have always felt you have to be willing to adapt to whatever is in a particular mod and in Mod 7 VOD is pro the empower healing style most definitely.

OR you could have MAX, EMP, EMP healing and run them all all the time, and have MCMW spelsl that land for 175-190 ish

The scrol enchment levle 4 is imo a must have for clerics there is just so much use for better scroll healing with the curent raids that are tests of your SP pool.

MY stlye is use scrolls chaining mcmw scrolls as they refresh if realyl there is any dmage ocationaly there wont be then i pause ofr a seocnd, or if only one guy is hurt use a heal sccroll ONCE people are down a bunch HIT a MCMW also quicked of course so it hits RIGHT when it's needed alowign me to let more people get lower to lose to much healign and get a toen of eficency for hte SP's spent.

P.S. my cleric has 1635 SP i believe atm, she is low on my priority list for tier 3 shroud items (sorc has 3, fighter 3, ranger 3, Monk 2.5, clerics and palyl are secondary toons so onyl have tier 2 atm). I to have solo healer or solo clerics + 1 bard to help shroud a number of times often our groups with one cleric are dps monsters becsuae we fill with extra dps peopel to make it faster for easyer healign on the cleric, so one round or one and a small fration of one round is not uncommon for single cleric runs.

P.P.S. I run with maddmats' chars often hes a strong player who groups with a lot of other strong players I'd say his groups and mine for that matter are normaly built form that top 10% ie the power gamers on khyber, and yes we regularly run VoD on elite now, if we have 3 clerics zero pots used and less then 100 scrolls is normal, 2 clerics 1-3 pots, one cleric was 12 pots i believe the bards used 5-6 eash(we had 2) I think; yes that was a one cleric elite run was a BLAST to do it ok we also have 2 sorcs with no fail heal/mcmw scrols and at least one rouge and a pally as well but i mean we had to fill the gorup with something (I was scroll healign the Sulu tanks its; ncie to have tnaks with 80+ ac they barly get hit .

[Desteria]

Whilst im quite sure that a lot of people will disagree with me, starting with 16 wisdom isnt bad. What does an 18 wisdom get you as opposed to a 16? An extra 100 spell points maybe,

It's an extra 25sp per 2 stat points on a sorc i cant see a cleric beign much difrent definetly not being MORE.

[Gunga]

Any toons got 1200 hitpoints?

Nope. But my average heal is about 400 hps. Any tanks with 400 hps? My sorc has 320..

[Aranticus]

Nope. But my average heal is about 400 hps. Any tanks with 400 hps? My sorc has 320..

wow! hero.....

[Isssssa]

Soloing clericing a shroud group is not difficult. You need a good group of 8-9 tanks and rangers. For parts 4/5 you use mass heals (light, moderate, serious assuimng you have greater pot VII). My cleric is currently sitting at a little over 1850 sp with a wiz VII item. With a arch magi item and a T3 shroud weapon, 2000 sp is not out of the question (on a 28 pt build for the record). The bard does heal scrolls on tanks taking excessive damage and you use heal/mcm scrolls when not mass healing. The group shouldnt take more than two rounds to take down the fiend especally since you have 1-2 more tanks than normal.