Level 15 n 16 Clerics???

[DaggomaticDwarf]

I just got my cleric to level 9, Yeah I can res ur dead lazy Arse now. I was wondering what typeof Enhancement I get as a human Lawful Good Cleric the Compendium show none. Would it be best to multi class or sumtin or is it just an oversight on the Dev ?? Could use a tip or 3. thx in advance

[BlackSteel]

no enhancements go off of alignment, but you have a few spells that do. Orders wrath is a large AoE stun agaisnt anything chaotic, and theres an AoE smite that blinds everything as well.

I wouldnt suggest multiclassing unless your stats support it, or if you have the equipment to make it worthwhile. Fighter level does no good if you dont have decent str; pally or sorc splash is no good w/o high charisma. And monk really limits what equipment you can use. You cant go wrong with a pure cleric build, splashing a class into it this late would be hard to recommend unless you originally built your character to accommodate it.

[Aranticus]

no enhancements go off of alignment, but you have a few spells that do. Orders wrath is a large AoE stun agaisnt anything chaotic, and theres an AoE smite that blinds everything as well.

smite blinds mobs if they fail a save

I wouldnt suggest multiclassing unless your stats support it, or if you have the equipment to make it worthwhile.

wrong

Fighter level does no good if you dont have decent str;

people splash fighter to be able to use tower shields, use all weapons and for extra feat

pally or sorc splash is no good w/o high charisma.

pally splash for weapon use as well as to have access to supposedly higher sp from wisdom. for the sorc, splash is usually for arcane wand use but a better idea would be to splash wiz to get arcane wand use as well as extra metamagic feat

And monk really limits what equipment you can use.

people splash monk for the ac or evasion (2 levels). the ac from wis bonus is usually the driving force

You cant go wrong with a pure cleric build, splashing a class into it this late would be hard to recommend unless you originally built your character to accommodate it.

its never too late to splash, most clerics splash not because their stats allow but because of how they play their clerics

[sirgog]

The biggest drawback to splashing is that at current endgame, most foes have Spell Resistance, and having 1 less point of Spell Penetration hurts a lot against those foes. A second consideration is that when the next level cap increase occurs (assuming 18 and not 20), the Mass Heal spell will heal 5-6% more when cast by a Clr18 than when cast by a Clr17/Xxx1.

The benefits to splashing have been covered already.


My suggestion: If your goal is to be a hybrid healbot/offensive caster cleric (a traditional cleric), do not splash under any circumstances. If your goal is to be a hybrid melee/healbot, splash one level of a martial class (there are benefits to both Pal and Ftr). If you plan to be a self-healing melee, consider splashing multiple (up to 5) non-Clr levels, but make sure that when you join a group the group is aware that you are built as a melee, not as a traditional cleric.

[DaggomaticDwarf]

Ok so splash will take away from a lil of my SP, is there a way to compensate for that ? say metas or SP items. I'm not sayin I want to splash I reall want to stay 100% Pure healbot. Want I really would luv to know is what r the best Feats or Enhancement a Pure Healbot should have?? And which of the Metas work best with Heal ( Max, Emp, Height, ) ?? ne advice I will gladly welcome. Once again tyvm in advance.

[BlackSteel]

Empower Healing and occasionally Quicken are the best used feats for a main healer. Taking Mental Toughness can help offset the sp lost to multiclassing. I've taken both MT feats on my cleric/monk, but am considering dumping one once I finish his shroud sp item in favor of Heighten.

[Aranticus]

Ok so splash will take away from a lil of my SP, is there a way to compensate for that ? say metas or SP items. I'm not sayin I want to splash I reall want to stay 100% Pure healbot. Want I really would luv to know is what r the best Feats or Enhancement a Pure Healbot should have?? And which of the Metas work best with Heal ( Max, Emp, Height, ) ?? ne advice I will gladly welcome. Once again tyvm in advance.

feat: empower healing

enhancement: 1. healing line, 2. item use line, 3. healing crit % line, 4. healing crit multiplier line, 5. DV/DH line (depending on cha)

for heal spell, only empower healing work, the other types of cure spells are affected by emp healing, emp, max

to be honest, the time of the healbot has long passed. to be able to function well as a cleric, you need your offensive spells. sometimes is more efficient to kill the mob than to heal the party

[BlackSteel]

its never too late to splash, most clerics splash not because their stats allow but because of how they play their clerics

what you could splash has alot to do with stats, 2 pally would be nice for a high charisma cleric, not so good for a 6 charisma dwarf or wf. Monk splash for AC (lvl 1) or evasion (lvl 2) doesnt help at all if you neglected your dex. Fighter or Wizard is ok for the Feat, but Fighter benefits are limited at a 8 str, divine power/favor only does so much. Tower shields can be used just fine w/o prof. the only penalty is to ur to-hit. A no str cleric isnt going to care about using martial weapons in the first place.

[jmonty]

its never too late to splash, most clerics splash not because their stats allow but because of how they play their clerics

u don't need to multiclass to melee. for example you could use the longsword enhancement or take a weapon proficiency as a feat if you wanted. also the cleric spells will work better as a straight cleric in the long run. i'd rather have all the cleric spells i can get when the cap increases than be a half assed tank that can heal myself.

[Lymnus]

You Will Lose the Following.
Spell Penetration: -1 to all Spell Pen checks. Spell Pen checks can get pretty high in elite level content. Every bit of bonus in Spell pen can show benefits for the Offensive Caster/Crowd Control Cleric.
The Spells that are Subject to SR Checks are: Destruction, Slay living, Blindness, Harm, Soundburst, Dismissal, Banishment, Curse, Doom, Bane, Command/Greater Command, Hold Person,
Spell Points: -70 Spell Points Base. This can be made up however depending on what class you splash into your build.
Spell Slots: You Lose One Level 7 Spell Slot and 1 Level 6 Spell Slot
Spell DC's: Poison, Banishment, Dismissal, and Break Enchantment, Greater Dispel Magic loses 1 to each of their DC's. SR:Mass losses 1 Pt of Spell Resistance.
-1 Fort Save
-1 Will Save
-1 BAB (Which may not seem like much, but can be the difference between having a 4th Attack without Divine Power up)
-8 Hit Points
Spell damage - almost always level dependant.

So what happens too Your Cleric when you Splash One level of another class?

Fighter: Fighter Splash's are most common in Melee focused Builds.
+1 BAB
+10 Hit Points
Martial Weapons Proficiency
Tower Shield Proficiency
Fighter Bonus Feat
+2 Fort Save
Enhancements
Fighter toughness 1: 5 hit points (Requires Toughness Feat)
Fighter Critical accuracy 1: +2 seeker (Stacks with Weapons/Items seeker effects)
Fighter Item defense 1: 25% item defense

Paladin: Paladin Splashes are suited for melee/Caster focused build.
+1 BAB
+10 Hit Points
Martial Weapons Proficiency
Paladin Aura (+1 to AC and Saves for you and close by party Members)
Spell Point Bonus based on Wisdom Modifier. (i.e. if you have a 30 Wisdom a Paly level will give you 100 Spell points where a Cleric level would of given you just 80 (10Bonus+70Base=80))
+2 Fort Save
Enhancements
Paladin toughness 1: 5 hit points (Requires Toughness Feat)
Aura of Good Concentration (+1 Concentration)

Ranger: Ranger Splashes are suited for melee/Caster focused build.
+1 BAB
+8 Hit Points
Martial Weapons Proficiency
Favorite Enemy (+1 Bonus to Hit and Ac against the mob of your choice)
Spell Point Bonus based on Wisdom Modifier. (i.e. if you have a 30 Wisdom a ranger level will give you 100 Spell points where a Cleric level would of given you just 80 (10Bonus+70Base=80))
+2 Fort Save
+2 Reflex Save
Bow Strength: (Add Str Damage Bonus to Ranged Attacks)
Enhancements
Favorite Enemy Damage and Defense (+1 Damage or +1 AC against)
Action Boost Skills (+2 to all Skills for 20 Seconds)

Barbarian: Barbarian Splashes are suited for a melee focused build.
+1 BAB
+12 Hit Points
Martial Weapons Proficiency
10% Increased Movement Rate
Rage (Cant Cast while raged.... Cleric are pretty useless to the rest of the party when they are raged......)
(However, With the Introduction of Mod5, You can dispel your own Rage at any time. This may make Barbarian Splashes a lot more viable)
+2 Fort Save
Enhancements
Barbarian toughness 1: 5 hit points (Requires Toughness Feat)
Resist Disease (+1 Saves against Disease)
Resist Poison (+1 Save against Poison)

Wizard: Wizard Splashes can be suited for Healer/Buffer Type Builds
0 BAB
+4 Hit Points
Extra MetaMagic Feat
50 Base Spell Points + (10xINT Modifier)
Arcane Wand Usage
3 1st Levels Arcane Spells
+2 Will Save
Enhancements
No Viable Enhancements for L1

Sorcerer: Sorcerer Splashes can bee suited for Healer/Buffer Type Builds
0 BAB
+4 Hit Points
100 Base Spell Points + (10xCHR Modifier)
Arcane Wand Usage
2 1st Levels Arcane Spells
+2 Will Save
Enhancements
No Viable Enhancements for L1

Bard: Bard Splashes can be suited for Healer/Buffer Type Builds
0 BAB
+6 Hit Points
50 Base Spell Points + (10xCHR Modifier)
1 Bard Song (Inspire Confidence +1 Attack)
+2 Reflex Save
+1 Will Save
Access to UMD as a Class Skill
Access to Many Arcane Wands (Any Spell that is in the Bards Spell list Via Wand)
Enhancements
Extra Song

Rogue: Rogue Splashes Can enhance survivability for Healer Type Builds
0 BAB
+6 Hit Points
+1d6 Sneak Attack Damage
Access to Open Lock and Disable Device as Class Skills
Access to UMD as a Class Skill
+2 Reflex Save
Enhancements
Faster Sneaking (10% Faster Sneak Rate)
Sneak Attack Damage (+2 Damage to any Attack that Qualifies as a Sneak Attack)
Trap Sense (+1 Saves against all Traps)