Oogly fighter build!

[oogly54]

I originally made this fighter based on the idea of never missing. I wanted to have the highest attack bonus possible, which currently stands at a +38 unbuffed (33 with PA). I also wanted to have a high AC (54AC/56 with achem fix), good amount of hit points (454HP) and a High DPS (130dmg first number, 180-200 total depending on Mob). Since STR is the stat used for attack bonus I maxed out STR every chance I could, DEX increases AC so I put a lot into that as well, and finally all tanks need hit points so I used a lot in CON as well. I do have almost every piece of gear this game has to offer including +3 tomes on all but one stat, of coure it is STR. Everything listed I actually own on this character. One last thought, I use WOP rapiers and Banishing rapiers, so the imp crit piercing has to stay.

I AM A DROW!! AND I LOVE IT!

Weapons of choice:
+2 Wounding addy Rapier of Puntring
+5 holy, acid burst, acid blast, Force burst, transmuting, bleeding khopesh (With goggles, 7 red numbers rocks!)
+5 Acid, acid burst, +4 AC, transmuting, force burst, bleeding Khopesh
+5 holy, good blast, good burst, force burst, greater disruption, true rez, khopesh.

STATS:
STR: 33, 18 start, 4 level, 2 tome, 3 class, 6 item
DEX: 22, 14 start, 3 tome, 5 item,
CON:22, 13 start, 3 tome, 6 item
INT: 13, 10 start, 3 tome
WIS: 11, 8 start, 3 Tome
CHR: 13, 10 start, 3 tome

Current Hit Points: 454, in reaver with all rages going i have reached over 600 several times.

FEATS:
Dodge, Khopesh, Greater Weapon Focus Slashing, Greater Weapon Specialization Slashing, Imporved Crit Slashing, Mobility, Power Attack, Power Critical, Spring Attack, Toughness (x4), Improved Crit Piercing

ENHANCEMENTS:
Fighter Extra Action Boost II
Fighter Haste Boost IV
Fighter Armor Boost I
Drow SR I
Fighter Armor Mastery III
Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Fighter Flanking Bonus III
Fighter STR II
Fighter Toughness IV

Items Worn :
Goggles: Tharne's Goggles (True seeing permantly, Sneak Attack +5)
Helm: Darkforge Nighthelm(+2 wis +5 will) OR
Minos Legens (heavy fort and toughness)
Necklace: +6 CON or Scourge Choker or Silver Flame Pendant
Trinket: Bloodstone, Head of Good Fortune, Mummified Bat
Cloak: Protection 5
Belt: Belt of Brute STR (+6 STR, greater false life)
Gloves: Spectral Gloves (+5 Dex , Etheral, +2 to hit bonus)
Boots: 30% striders or
Madstone Boots - +4 Dexterity, Potency VII, Striding 20%, % hit Madstone Boots ability (+2 STR, +2CON, +4 Natural Armor, unable to cast spells, stackable), Madstone Rage 1/day
Shield: Sorrel, +5 Heavy steel, +4 Protection, +4 Resistance

Ring 1: Chattering Ring (Chattering Ring - +3 Dodge, +13 Spot, -10 Move Silently )
Ring 2: Seal of the Earth - Ring, Natural AC +3, Acid Resistance, Stoneskin (level 12 caster, 3/day, self only), +6 CON Ring, Ring of the Djinn, +15 INT, +1 CHR Ring, FF ring of jump +10, Rez rings, many rings swap in.
Bracers: Chaosgarde (Chaosgarde - Bracers, Chaosguard*, +2 Dodge bonus) OR Levik's Bracers (+6 STR, 20% healing Amp) against mobs like Shourd 5.
Armor: Full Plate of the Defender (+5 Mith FP, Heavy Fort, Protection 4, +2 to hit bonus)

AC Breakdown
10 Base
13 Armor
6 Dex
7 shield
2 chaos (dodge)
3 chattering (dodge)
3 seal (natural armor)
5 Protection
1 Dodge Feat
4 insight
2 Alchem (when fixed
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56 AC, unbuffed, unstanced, untowered

Pally
61AC

Ranger
63

Bard
68

Cleric
70

Hasted
71

CE
76

Towered
78

I have been playing with this idea of switching a feat for CE and switching some of my enhancments for tower shield useage. This would increase my standing AC to a 63 unbuffed. This would also lower my to-hit bonus by 2. (always run with power attack on) I have a decent intmidate and use it often. (36 unbuffed) But in raids like VOD, I am usually buffed to about 65ish and I dont see the need to increase it to above 70.

Any thoughts?

[maddmatt70]

If this were a halfling or a dwarf it would be better. If this were a multi class character it would be better. Maybe mod8 will help it, but as it stands right now it could be better with a different race or class.

[oogly54]

If this were a halfling or a dwarf it would be better. If this were a multi class character it would be better. Maybe mod8 will help it, but as it stands right now it could be better with a different race or class.

Elaborate how? The blanket statement helps zero.

Sure Dwarves get more con, but less dex, trade off for both to get o same level. For enhancments, what would I want to give up for dwarven toughness? For multiclass, what would I benefit and lose? For higher level abilities only gained by pure classes, i prefer to not multiclass. Ranger would allow for self heal, but I dont care about that, pots are fine. Although ranger would lower my hit points. Halfling would hurt my str, lowering attack bonus and damage. Would I want to do that for more AC, when my AC is already great?

[maddmatt70]

Elaborate how? The blanket statement helps zero.

Sure Dwarves get more con, but less dex, trade off for both to get o same level. For enhancments, what would I want to give up for dwarven toughness? For multiclass, what would I benefit and lose? For higher level abilities only gained by pure classes, i prefer to not multiclass. Ranger would allow for self heal, but I dont care about that, pots are fine. Although ranger would lower my hit points. Halfling would hurt my str, lowering attack bonus and damage. Would I want to do that for more AC, when my AC is already great?

Halfling do more damage especially on raid bosses with their sneak damage. As a sword and boarder you wouldn't have aggro in a raid hence sneak damage. Halfling and dwarves for that matter have better saves. Dwarves have more hit points for toughness. Halflings have healing dragonmarks as well. The drow have lame enhancements. As has been well documented levels 13-16 fighter are not very exciting. A different build which allows for pally, rogue, or monk spalshes is better. Your preferences to not multiclass are noted. You can run around with any old gimp build if you so desire and get all the uber raid loot and tomes and whatever else you want what it means is somebody else with a better build and less raid gear and uber weapon/items can equal your character or even be better then your character.

I have a pure level 16 dwarven twf fighter that I made the second week of this game. There is nothing wrong with the build, but the reality is I wouldn't post the build on the forums because well I acknowledge there are better builds today even mostly fighter builds then my fighter at this point.

[CSFurious]

when i look at that build, i think some levels of pallie should have been taken

anyway, it is an ok build that will survive at end-game

however, in dps, tempests, rogues & barbs will definitely do more

[Lewcipher]

Just out of curiosity, have you thought about saving that +2 Str tome and use a +1 instead? That would put your strength at 32 instead of 33, which is the same bonus. You would be hoping that a +3 drops out of the reaver or shroud.

Just a thought. I'm guessing you've already used it though.

[Borror0]

Just out of curiosity, have you thought about saving that +2 Str tome and use a +1 instead? That would put your strength at 32 instead of 33, which is the same bonus. You would be hoping that a +3 drops out of the reaver or shroud.

Or, just save the 6 APs you used to get it to 33.

[oogly54]

This is exactly why I posted this build. You guys are so far in left field in your beliefs it is ridiculous. Ask anyone who has played with me about how well I "do ok" in end game?

Add monk for what, WIS to AC. I have no WIS. Add Pally for Saves, I have no CHR, add rogue for back attack, and lose HP and Feats, which is more HP. I would expect the barb loving, ranger loving players such as yourselves to not suggest I lose 50 HP for 1d6 of backattack. FYI, I grab and hold aggro from the so called DPS characters all the time. Back attack is not possible on a regular basis and would be ignorant to suggest I take rogue for that. Or halfling for that matter.

I have used the extra action points a long time ago, my STR is 32 right now.

[maddmatt70]

This is exactly why I posted this build. You guys are so far in left field in your beliefs it is ridiculous. Ask anyone who has played with me about how well I "do ok" in end game?

Add monk for what, WIS to AC. I have no WIS. Add Pally for Saves, I have no CHR, add rogue for back attack, and lose HP and Feats, which is more HP. I would expect the barb loving, ranger loving players such as yourselves to not suggest I lose 50 HP for 1d6 of backattack. FYI, I grab and hold aggro from the so called DPS characters all the time. Back attack is not possible on a regular basis and would be ignorant to suggest I take rogue for that.

I have used the extra action points a long time ago, my STR is 32 right now.

You run with some gimps if they can't pull aggro off a sword and boarder unless the s&B is spamming intimidates.

Splash advantanges:

2 monk gives you +3 ac for wisdom and if you change your enhancements around to give yourself a 24 dex and wear light armor such as the Breastplate of destruction your ac goes up by 2, you get evasion, 1 extra feat (2 for monk levels but lose 1 for a fighter level), +3 to all your saves due to monk levels whereas 2 fighter levels at best you get +1 to all your saves.

2 rogue (take a rogue level at level 1) gives you evasion, umd as a skill, and d6 sneak attack damage.

2 paladin, gives you divine grace which would be +5 to all your saves if you wore a cha item , and + to saves and ac from your aura.

If you want to maintain a 1 to 1 base attack 14 fighter 2 paladin is better then your build otherwise I kind of like either a 12 fighter 2 paladin 2 monk build or 12 fighter 2 paladin 2 rogue build (this one could be nice to add 1 or 2 levels of monk to down the road).

[oogly54]

Your numbers wrong all over the place and there is a max three class types. Learn some of the rules before you go ripping on someones build.

FYI, this toon was complete long before Monk was around.

[adamkatt]

Your numbers wrong all over the place and there is a max three class types. Learn some of the rules before you go ripping on someones build.

FYI, this toon was complete long before Monk was around.

Your drow is perfect. I would just replace the legs...

[maddmatt70]

Your numbers wrong all over the place and there is a max three class types. Learn some of the rules before you go ripping on someones build.

My numbers are not wrong at all. You need to take reading comprehension lessons. Those are all separate splash options which are superior then straight fighter. I also supplied 3 builds (12 fighter/ 2 paladin / 2 monk , 12 fighter / 2 paladin / 2 rogue, and 14 fighter 2 paladin) which are better then straight fighter currently and there are other builds for that matter.

FYI, this toon was complete long before Monk was around.

Yes, your toon is outdated and old so why bother posting and saying how great your toon is if that is the case? Regardless this is a waste of my time as you will continue to believe the earth is flat when it is really round.

[adamkatt]

My numbers are not wrong at all. You need to take reading comprehension lessons. Those are all separate splash options which are superior then straight fighter. I also supplied 3 builds (12 fighter/ 2 paladin / 2 monk , 12 fighter / 2 paladin / 2 rogue, and 14 fighter 2 paladin) which are better then straight fighter currently and there are other builds for that matter.



Yes, your toon is outdated and old so why bother posting and saying how great your toon is if that is the case? Regardless this is a waste of my time as you will continue to believe the earth is flat when it is really round.

Your numbers are all wrong!!! He needs more LVLS in the drow class!!!

[oogly54]

Yes, your toon is outdated and old so why bother posting and saying how great your toon is if that is the case? Regardless this is a waste of my time as you will continue to believe the earth is flat when it is really round.

The point was not to have someone say, hey reroll you are gimp. It was to say hey, have you ever thought of this enhancement line or why dont you switch to this feat or use this item to help here. I stated from the beginning that making hybrid classes was not something i wanted to do in order to take full advantage of the abilities classes get at high levels, but instead you rip on my build, don't explain yourself, then talk about how you should have made it a multiclass. Nothing constructive at all. Go troll elsewhere.

You suggest a pally/monk hybrid but do not say that i will lose x to get x. I need to wear a CHR item and a WIS item, what do I need to lose in order to do that. Do you suggest I not use a dex item, a protection item or a str. Maybe forget the chattering ring? Removing 4 fighter levels and adding two monk and 2 pally would not give me more feats it would give me less. Also lower HP and attack bonus. It is not a +2 to all saves unless I add the stat items which I have no place for.

Thanks for your help on the FIGHTER forums on how to make a FIGHTER better. You rock!

[maddmatt70]

The point was not to have someone say, hey reroll you are gimp. It was to say hey, have you ever thought of this enhancement line or why dont you switch to this feat or use this item to help here. I stated from the beginning that making hybrid classes was not something i wanted to do in order to take full advantage of the abilities classes get at high levels, but instead you rip on my build, don't explain yourself, then talk about how you should have made it a multiclass. Nothing constructive at all. Go troll elsewhere.

You suggest a pally/monk hybrid but do not say that i will lose x to get x. I need to wear a CHR item and a WIS item, what do I need to lose in order to do that. Do you suggest I not use a dex item, a protection item or a str. Maybe forget the chattering ring? Removing 4 fighter levels and adding two monk and 2 pally would not give me more feats it would give me less. Also lower HP and attack bonus. It is not a +2 to all saves unless I add the stat items which I have no place for.

Thanks for your help on the FIGHTER forums on how to make a FIGHTER better. You rock!

1st level monk gets a bonus feat
2nd level monk gets a bonus feat
3rd level monk gets bonus feat

Since level 13-16 fighter gets 2 bonus feats this = 2 level of monk which gets 2 bonus feats. Even if you forgot about the wis item and just disregarded it and just added the cha item to your gear after all you usual run around with sorrel so can't you work something out with that with gear. It really isn't too difficult. Mineral II helmet for instance what have you. Drink barkskin pots instead of wear seal.. Look at me I just freed up a cloak and ring slot..

To improve your build start with nixing the crit accuracy enhancement line you will find you almost never dont confirm crits even if you are not wearing a bloodstone. The flanking accuracy is the same thing you don't miss much with a sword and board max strength and base attack melee even with CE or PA on.

[CSFurious]

OP just like you have the right to post your build, good players have the right to take a look at your build & say "hey this is a problem"

i think it is pretty clear that pure fighter is weaker than a multi-class build

that does not mean that your build is not good just that it is not a build that i would ever bother rolling as drow is probably the worst class for a straight melee fighter & only a silly person would think otherwise

a drow could be a good tempest ranger or rogue

[oogly54]

OP just like you have the right to post your build

good players have the right to take a look at your build & say "hey this is a problem"

i think it is pretty clear that pure fighter is weaker than a multi-class build

that does not mean that your build is not good just that it is not a build that i would ever bother rolling as drow is probably the worst class for a straight melee fighter & only a silly person would think otherwise

At the time, Dwarves were normal dwarves, not the super race that is prfered over all others, including the specialty races. That being said. The only thing I am missing out on by not being a dwarf is the toughness line enhancement. I would lose a lot of action points to take it and considering I am thinking about taking out some enhancments to gain tower shield mastery, I don't know that I would attempt to raise my HP further than the 450 I already have. So what did I lose by not being a dwarf? The +2 to con and -2 to dex is the same as +2 dex and -2 con in the end when both end up at 22, just the amount fo points needed to put into them are displaced by the other.

Again the point was how to improve this build now, not REROLL. As you can see the amount of raid loot is significant. How much time would it take to get to this point with a reroll? If you think this build is gimp, you are sadly mistaken. I am curious if there is something I am missing to improve it. Ask Ghallanda what they think of this fighter. I am sure you will not hear people saying it is gimped.

[oogly54]

FYI, DEVs already stated that the Way of the Fighter line is coming in next mod, how sorry will the 12 fighter/hybrids be when they can't achieve these abilities. If they are like the weapons master, increased crit range and crit multiplier, the PURE fighter will the DPS machines once again.

[CSFurious]

your way of the fighter will likely only be for level 6 fighters just like the other enhancements were first rolled out

if you are willing to wait 2 years to see the 2nd-tier enhancements, i suggest that you do not hold your breath

FYI, DEVs already stated that the Way of the Fighter line is coming in next mod, how sorry will the 12 fighter/hybrids be when they can't achieve these abilities. If they are like the weapons master, increased crit range and crit multiplier, the PURE fighter will the DPS machines once again.

[Korvek]

your way of the fighter will likely only be for level 6 fighters just like the other enhancements were first rolled out

if you are willing to wait 2 years to see the 2nd-tier enhancements, i suggest that you do not hold your breath

Heh, also considering the second tier of Way Of... enhancements are required level 12, so a 12 fighter/X/X build would still be able to get them.