Highest possible haggle...

[Bloodhaven]

I currently do not know what the highest haggle posible is and if any can inform me on this with a breakdown on how it is achieved that would be great.

Consider this all with MAX haggle being the primary goal.


I want to build a Haggle toon that can be useful in a party.
Are there any classes with a better chance at higher haggle?
I was thinking of a cha based minstrel or a scorc with a feet used on haggle any ideas would be helpful.
Is a cha based pally feasible?

[Tanka]

A Bard with maxed Cha/Haggle is your best bet. If you want the best static (non-changing) Haggle, go Drow. If you want the highest dynamic (boostable) Haggle, go Human for HV4. 5 +5 skill boosts gets you 4 higher than an equivalent Drow, which is great for restocking scrolls before raids.

[Kaldaka]

Hmm ... I'm thinking the following is pretty accurate:

Human Bard level 16 Self-buffed:

Ranks: 19
CHA 34: 12 (maxxed CHA and a +2 tome ... but could go higher with shroud stuff of course)
Skill Focus (you sure you wanna use a feat? LOL): 3
Haggle item: 15
Greater Heroism: 4
Focusing Chant: 1
Head of Good Fortune: 2
Robe (or armor, etc) of Command: 2

There's 57 - +5 possible with human skill boost IV for a total of 62, and lets not forget the shroud crafted item bonuses (+3 i believe maybe more ...) for 65.

[Alcides]

19 Base
+ 12 Charisma Bonus (34 Charisma)
+ 15 Item
+ 5 Feats (Negotiator + Skill Focus: Haggle)
+ 5 Boost (Human Action Boost 4)
+ 1 Competence Bonus(Focusing Chant)
+ 4 Morale Bonus (Greater heroism)
+ 4 Enhancements (Bard Haggle 4)
+ 2 Luck Bonus (Head of Good Fortune)

67 Total

+6 Shroud Item
+3 Skill Boost Potion
+1 Extra Charisma Bonus from Shroud Item
77

[Aranticus]

Hmm ... I'm thinking the following is pretty accurate:

Human Bard level 16 Self-buffed:

Ranks: 19
CHA 34: 12 (maxxed CHA and a +2 tome ... but could go higher with shroud stuff of course)
Skill Focus (you sure you wanna use a feat? LOL): 3
Haggle item: 15
Greater Heroism: 4
Focusing Chant: 1
Head of Good Fortune: 2
Robe (or armor, etc) of Command: 2

There's 57 - +5 possible with human skill boost IV for a total of 62, and lets not forget the shroud crafted item bonuses (+3 i believe maybe more ...) for 65.

not even close. my bard is sitting at 73 haggle (self buffed)

this is the real max haggle
Rank: 19
cha 42: + 16 (18 base +4 level +4 enhancement + 9 shroud item + 1 abbot raid loot + 3 alchemical pot + 3 tome)
item: +21 (haggle and shroud item)
feats: +5 (negotiator, skill focus haggle)
enhancement: +4
luck item: +2
spells: +5 (GH, chant)
boost: +5
bard song: +2
alchemical pot: +3
total: 82

[Kaldaka]

... not even close ... this is the real max haggle ...

Thank God for people like you .... for imparting your knowledge in such a wonderful way.

Thanks for making my day

[Zenako]

not even close. my bard is sitting at 73 haggle (self buffed)

this is the real max haggle
Rank: 19
cha 42: + 16 (18 base +4 level +4 enhancement + 9 shroud item + 1 abbot raid loot + 3 alchemical pot + 3 tome)
item: +21 (haggle and shroud item)
feats: +5 (negotiator, skill focus haggle)
enhancement: +4
luck item: +2
spells: +5 (GH, chant)
boost: +5
bard song: +2
alchemical pot: +3
total: 82

Looks like you are double counting the Pot? Unless those two types actually stack?? I think they have the same "type" of descriptor.

I also think Prayer stacks (IIRC) but is hard to pull off.

Bottom line OP, you can get to the high 50's low 60's with "normal" stuff. No extra feats, no alchemtical potions and no Shroud items. Building a bard with high Haggle does not require that much of feat Sacrifice and you can always swap out feats. Just be sure to keep Haggle Skill maxed and you want to optimize you CHA. After that it is items and effort.

[Strakeln]

Looks like you are double counting the Pot? Unless those two types actually stack?? I think they have the same "type" of descriptor.

I also think Prayer stacks (IIRC) but is hard to pull off.

The potions do not stack, there are +3 skill potions.

Prayer does not stack with the head of good fortune.

[Tanka]

Haggle item: 15
Robe (or armor, etc) of Command: 2

FYI, these will not stack. Haggle and Command (and Persuasion) are both Competence bonuses.

[Aranticus]

Looks like you are double counting the Pot? Unless those two types actually stack?? I think they have the same "type" of descriptor.

I also think Prayer stacks (IIRC) but is hard to pull off.

Bottom line OP, you can get to the high 50's low 60's with "normal" stuff. No extra feats, no alchemtical potions and no Shroud items. Building a bard with high Haggle does not require that much of feat Sacrifice and you can always swap out feats. Just be sure to keep Haggle Skill maxed and you want to optimize you CHA. After that it is items and effort.

there are 2 different alchemical pot. 1 increases charisma by 2. the other increases charisma skills by 2. their effects do stack.

prayer and head are both luck bonuses. luck bonuses dun stack

edit, did not see strakeln's post

[Aranticus]

Thank God for people like you .... for imparting your knowledge in such a wonderful way.

Thanks for making my day

i detect a hint of sarcasm there.....

anyways should you feel my post is elitist, its actually better than posting UNTRUTHS

[Bloodhaven]

thanks everyone fir the replys this will help allot

[Kaldaka]

i detect a hint of sarcasm there.....

anyways should you feel my post is elitist, its actually better than posting UNTRUTHS

Give me a break ...

Starting my reply to the OP with this:

Hmm ... I'm thinking the following is pretty accurate ....

kinda means I'm just throwing it out there for corrections ....

And you directly replying to my post with this instead of the OP:

not even close .... this is the real max haggle ....

kinda means that you are an ... well ... I won't stoop

[transtemporal]

Question aranticus: did you build your bard with those feats and enhancements from the start or did you build him a different way and then re-spec at 16 into those negotiator/sf: haggle/enhancements? And is he a warchanter or virtuouso?

Thank you.

[Aranticus]

Question aranticus: did you build your bard with those feats and enhancements from the start or did you build him a different way and then re-spec at 16 into those negotiator/sf: haggle/enhancements? And is he a warchanter or virtuouso?

Thank you.

i leveled him up as a spellsinger who is fully healing specced. when i hit cap, i reorganised the feats (threw out umd focus) and reduced his songs (did not take the attack enhancements since they dun stack with GH) and healing (did not take the crits). he remained a spellsinger so i can bring him on shroud runs (damage song is still maxed out so i primarily play him as a buffer and healer

[transtemporal]

i leveled him up as a spellsinger who is fully healing specced. when i hit cap, i reorganised the feats (threw out umd focus) and reduced his songs (did not take the attack enhancements since they dun stack with GH) and healing (did not take the crits). he remained a spellsinger so i can bring him on shroud runs (damage song is still maxed out so i primarily play him as a buffer and healer

Thank you Aranticus. I'm fishing around for a bard or maybe bard/rog build that I'll eventually turn into a haggleguy. Just don't want him to become completely useless at cap.