Turning Clerecs

[CIuB]

What are peoples thoughts on a turning based clerec. end game with a 26-30 wisdom and a 34-38 cha.(i did eat a +2 tome at birth) I am keeping up with my level mob in CR for a complete turn and can get 1 or 2 cr above for a scare. I was comparative to the tanks and caster kills in deleras at level 5. necro was a little under. My fallback is going to be 20+ DVs that will make up for my mana difference to another clerec in the endgame. Plus that much extra mana usually takes the edge off runs so that i will be on an even playing field. Plus, i will have an official test build for all turning (has anyone else been stupid enough to try this?)

[smyter]

I have a lvl 16 turning cleric that I pull out for grins from time to time. I think He has a 33 cha atm. I noticed the other day that I should be able to destroy lvl 13 undead, but they only cower:

16 from levels
1 from feat
3 from enhancement
4 from seek eternal rest spell
2 from Gauntlets of Eternity
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26

thus destroy 1/2 that (lvl 13)

[Impaqt]

I have a lvl 16 turning cleric that I pull out for grins from time to time. I think He has a 33 cha atm. I noticed the other day that I should be able to destroy lvl 13 undead, but they only cower:

16 from levels
1 from feat
3 from enhancement
4 from seek eternal rest spell
2 from Gauntlets of Eternity
-------------------------------
26

thus destroy 1/2 that (lvl 13)

The quest level or Mobs level have nothing to do with being turned or Destroyed. It has todo with their Hit Die.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=141169

[smyter]

point made. also according to that thread seek eternal rest and sacred items steack (which I am not sure I believe, but wear one anyways) whoch brings my destroy HD to 14, and turning to 28.

[Impaqt]

point made. also according to that thread seek eternal rest and sacred items steack (which I am not sure I believe, but wear one anyways) whoch brings my destroy HD to 14, and turning to 28.

Thats because they do stack. Its been confirmed by a dev.

[Zenako]

Yes they stack. Also you can get the Seraphrim Helm from the Orchard for a Hallowed Bonus as well.

Turning works as intended, it is just that many many time the actual HD of the undead are more than the CR would lead you to believe. (Too many players still seem to think CR = HD....not!) Undead are stupid and easy to plan against, thus a basic low CR on them.

You can turn/cower undead at all levels (done it in GH and Orchard...not too many actually in the vale). Once cowered they are punching bags. On any quest with Undead in I will drop a Seek Eternal Rest just in case. Its a long lasting spell and helps a lot.

It can be fun to also use those free turns as a Paladin (since you often have a high CHA anyway). I know I have double digit turns on mine and it is a freebie (no skill points, no action points, no feats required...).

[Aranticus]

which means clerics are good at turning at the lower levels but as you get past L10 quests, it becomes more and more difficult to turn, thus severely limiting your abilities since you have to invest in feats and enhancements. the feats and enhancements are easy to respec but points put into charisma will not. which means you will finally do DVs and DHs

[BuzzSaw]

I love turning undead, My cleric can turn the vampire in PoP on Elite at level 14. It was great, Turn fangy, clear out his minions and then kick his butt when he gets back.

Same goes for Madstone on Elite, Giant Skellies are no big thang...

No Fear in the Orchard either (pardon the pun) (but no kills either....sigh... only cower)

So turning undead is TOTALLY Viable for a cleric. But you have to work on it, get a good CHA and get the gear and feats to make it usable.

If you're a CHA 12 cleric with nothing put in for turning, you are gonna get the results that you deserve.

So don't loose heart, you CAN turn as a cleric, but you gotta work at it to make it good
Buzz

[Wizzly_Bear]

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[Uproar]

Correctly Specialized?

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 2.96
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RIP Cleric
Level 16 Lawful Good Human Male
(16 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 164
Spell Points: 1035 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 4
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         10                    12
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               16                    22
Charisma             18                    26

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

                 Feat/Enhancement
                  Modified Skills
Skills             (Level 16)
Balance                  2
Bluff                    8
Concentration           20
Diplomacy                9
Haggle                   9
Heal                     7
Intimidate               8
Jump                     4
Listen                   6
Spot                     7
Swim                     0
Tumble                   0
Use Magic Device        16


Total Feat List:
Spell Penetration
Greater Spell Penetration
Improved Turning
Extra Turning
Extend Spell
Spell Focus: Necromancy
Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Greater Spell Penetration
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Turning


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extra Turning


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Cleansing I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Light I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Light II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning III
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery II

[Talon_Moonshadow]

turning clerics? im a wf caster, i turn clerics away all the time


just like any other ability in the game. the game is designed around rewarding specialization and punishing versatility.

LOL,
first part funny, second part sad but true.

I sorta specced my cleric for turning. But didn't max cha.....I think I have a 26 or 28 now @ lvl 16. With no way to really get it higher without +2 or +3 tomes.

I turn pretty good. But don't destroy things much.

And the desert and orchard where I want to turn the most, it actually makes things worse.......since they run off, and tether back.
Plus they have an anoying habit of casting a few more spells before realising how scared of my divine power they are.

I've been lightning bolted to death on numerous occasions and watched the guy who did it to me run away from my dead body in fear.

Turning annoys the party. They hate to chase. And those FODing Sorcs think my turns belong to them or something.

Plus I don't think I've successfully turned anything below the Market yet.

But I remember a POP (elite I think) run where we wiped at the end fight, and when we got back the room was full of our wraiths.

And oh, the looks on everyone's face when I let off one turning attempt and everything just vanished!

Made it all worth it.

[Zenako]

But I remember a POP (elite I think) run where we wiped at the end fight, and when we got back the room was full of our wraiths.

And oh, the looks on everyone's face when I let off one turning attempt and everything just vanished!

Made it all worth it.

lol....just shows how few HD characters have compared to the mobs.... Our wraiths just flash.

You will find in some quests, Delaras for easy and recent example. The Archers ignore your turns, while the Arcanes get destroyed, and That is very useful (no more lightning bolts, or holds), while the Melee skeletons often end up turned. One encounter with a range of effects.