What is the ultimate WF build

[Seacog]

Sorry did not mean to seem whiny I was just looking for some advice. I really enjoy playing this character especially for the inherent immunities. I guess like many players I want to be the best I can be and was looking for advice on how that could be achieved. I have a duskstone on my ranger and to tell the truth don't find it to be overwhelmingly effective. I swing mostly great axes some great swords, I have a few one handed weapons just because I have not acquired a two handed version ie banishing, smiting etc.
As for adding a level of caster it was just a thought that I guess did sound kind of whiny.

I am willing to bet your ranger has far more ac then your barbarian, so therefore you wouldn't notice it as much. Lets just say average capped ranger has around 32-36 ac, average capped barb will have maybe 25-26 raged tops, without outside buffs or the best gear. This pretty much means the barb will be hit by any level 6 monster or more with relative ease. Those 10 points more ac on your ranger increases the ability to be missed by near 50% now factor in the duskstones chance of automiss 10% the time anyway... that will raise a barbs chance of being missed to... 15% optimally under those circumstances, yet the ranger is being hit maybe 50% of the time to begin with so how many misses from roll were because of blur? you would at BEST notice maybe 5% difference, so 55% chance of miss.. not a huge difference in increases again, until you notice on your barbarian... they are missing... thats what makes the difference, your barb isn't GOING to be missed unless already blurred, your ranger, will be. IMHO you have your trinkets backwards, give your duskstone to your barb, and your bloodstone to your ranger. I'd freakin kill for my barb to have a duskstone, unless i bring 100 pots i can't even solo TR norm past part 6 because EVERYTHING hits him. A 10% chance...welll if they miss me, they are dead before their next swing anyway, would come in handy in them 1 on 15 fights.

[Varr]

Furthermore, i hate hearing barbarians of any type saying they need a blood stone. Yiur strength should be so high you don't miss accept on a 2, which means your confirmation for a critical hits unless you roll a 1 anyway. Get that p.o.s. of your avatar, and get a DUSKSTONE or some other built in blur item, FAR more important then a seeker.

Barbs are not interested generaly in the confirm to crit the seeker 6 of the bloodstone offers. They like the idea of 6 pts of damage x crit multiplier added to any weapon they swing and crit with. So...........If you are swinging that great axe, you can do an additional 18 pts of damage every time you roll a 17-20 with crit 2 at level 14+. Almost 4 points of damage per swing improvement on overall damage........or a free +8 to str equivalant on the damage side.

[Seacog]

Furthermore, i hate hearing barbarians of any type saying they need a blood stone. Yiur strength should be so high you don't miss accept on a 2, which means your confirmation for a critical hits unless you roll a 1 anyway. Get that p.o.s. of your avatar, and get a DUSKSTONE or some other built in blur item, FAR more important then a seeker.

Barbs are not interested generaly in the confirm to crit the seeker 6 of the bloodstone offers. They like the idea of 6 pts of damage x crit multiplier added to any weapon they swing and crit with. So...........If you are swinging that great axe, you can do an additional 18 pts of damage every time you roll a 17-20 with crit 2 at level 14+. Almost 4 points of damage per swing improvement on overall damage........or a free +8 to str equivalant on the damage side.

And how far is that extra +4 damage going to affect a mob at the higher level? AS slow as that great axe or greatsword swings your talkin maybe 3 hits per second 12 damage, yet when my barb gets hit by anything in his level range it's about 70-80 someodd points of damage. Now obviously, this is base style, if someone can already cast blur on you then you dont need it, but if there is no wizard to cast, hands down duskstone. Unless you want to be one of those warforged barbarians that suck up all the clerics mana. The damage added by a seeker would only really stack up on a red named boss or something else with an extremly massive hp.

Obviously there are times a different piece of gear can be called on for, but for most situations, the blur would be best for a barbarian, and if you think otherwise, then you dont understand the basics around the build

[Varr]

You do damage.. that's your job.

+4 to every swing is like getting free weapon specialization and greater weapon specialization.........18 extra points of damage (your job as you mentioned) on every crit is a very nice addition to damage. If your running without a caster, or bard, or blur casting rogue, or anyone with umd enough to cast a blur wand on ya..........and you would rather give up the bloodstone dps instead of whatever your off hand ring is.....(ie put on a ring of shaddows for the 10% blur instead of loosing all that dps and putting on a dusk heart trinket) then feel free. But to say get the bloodstone (piece of sh!t) off your barb sounds........silly to me.

Then to say not understanding how nice 10% blur is better than 6x crit damage boost (in the wrong slot in my opinion if you really never run with a blurer) makes you just not understand the basics around the build.........great advice.

[Seacog]

now you are confusing the issue by adding another piece of equiptment in, the two in question were duskstone and bloodstone, not the ring of shadows, we can't all go out and buy all the equiptment we want, or farm them repeatedly until we get them. He does have the other two however and he should switch them for mass effect. Yes the barbarians job is to do damage, it does not mean there job is to do damage regardless of any group dynamics and waste valuable resources of the party. If i save the wizard 1 cast of reconstruct thats equivilant to him casting one firewall, or finger, or enervation, saving the cleric 1 heal means the extra 150 hp he wastes by casting on me, might be used on someone more important then myself given the circumstances. any characters "job" is to maximize their own potential, assist in group dynamics and get the job done the most efficient was possible. This invo0lves a blur affect item if available to you, in this case, the duskstone, over a slight upgrade in dps of the bloodstone, especially if you dont need the confirmation for crits.

[liamfrancais]

Don't know where this got confused but I do not have a bloodstone. Just a duskstone on baltaz who is level 9.

[Varr]

Unless there has been an edit.............I dont see any mention of bloodstone nor dusk heart before your posting denouncing the bloodstone in the 18th post. In doing so, offered that the crit confirm was a poor reason to have it loaded. I then offered that that is only the secondary benifit, and all barbs likely would want it as there trinket item for the dps benifit. So to me you addd the 10% item to replace the bloodstone on generic barbs and I then suggested that if your going to add an item for 10% blur, do it in the off ring slot instead of harming your dps and setting asside the bloodstone.

So if there was an edit and Im missunderstanding this thread, point it out please. Otherwise, reread the thread a couple times like I have and understand my points because I understand yours and disagree/improved upon them. I would go so far as to contend, that since you are not likely to ever be soloing your non casting wf barb, and are already party dependant, do your job better and use the bloodstone, even if there is no blur available. Bloodstone dps is much better than one barb having 10% blur.

[Seacog]

... okay my bad on that one, i speed read...and have add not a good combination, I somehow confused your post with baylen's. He was the one hoping to get a bloodstone for his vorpal, it was him i was attacking on that specific subject and yers on the caster <_< which is prolly why i was so hostile, for which i do apologize. I just couldn't believe someone would state two things in one post i find ridiculous, which apparently...didn't happen! hah! <points and laughs at self> However my opinion still stands, blur items > seeker items for barbarians

[Varr]

Now we are all good! We deff disagree on this issue, but that is fine with me! I just sensed the hostility and didnt like it. Now, go get a shadow ring my friend and have the best of both worlds!!!

[Seacog]

Believe me i have been trying very hard for a duskstone or ring of shadows, i even offered someone last week 3 large ingreds for a duskstone they pulled on our way to chains of flames, they turned me down :/ large stone, scale and shrapnel, def a decent trade imo...sigh... i keep that thing ransacked.. even though i have to die 4 times clearing the chest alone.....well one time i made it and didn't die, recalled rushed to tavern to eat and died before food took affect cause rage wore off... /sigh

[Varr]

Post your server in your signiture and by tonight you will have 10 people willing to trade you a duskheart for those three ingrediants. Im on khyber and thelanis, and would gladly steal.....I mean trade ya one for them.

[liamfrancais]

A little update here I switched my duskheart to Adarforged and it does help not get beat so much, I tried to swap out weapon focus slashing for improved crit slashing but I took WF as a level one feat so I could not switch it oh well.

[nbhs275]

A little update here I switched my duskheart to Adarforged and it does help not get beat so much, I tried to swap out weapon focus slashing for improved crit slashing but I took WF as a level one feat so I could not switch it oh well.

put PA at lvl 1

[Seacog]

A little update here I switched my duskheart to Adarforged and it does help not get beat so much, I tried to swap out weapon focus slashing for improved crit slashing but I took WF as a level one feat so I could not switch it oh well.

Glad to see it's helping despite my utter total confusion i think i got my prior point across, lol. Swapping feats does suck, seacog has to go through 4 feat changes just to change 2 away, lol. Incidentally, I'm from Sarlona for the guy that asked

[Aeneas]

Did i just see someone saying they were gonna add a level of arcane with their wf barb? I hope that was a joke...seriously... As a WF barb your ac is gonna blow, when raged mine is a 25 i believe..might be 23.. forget.. i have 573 hp at level 15, i have NOT eaten a ton of tomes, and yes, i am hard to heal, though i do have the increased 20&#37; heal for warforged. Your job as a WF barb is to go in, and do one of two things. Distract the enemies so everyone else can destroy it, hope the hea;er keeps you up, or 2. allow another tank if you have one, or high ac char to do the same for you. You do damage.. that's your job. By taking a level of arcane you are reducing your hp and most likely even your BAB. Furthermore, i hate hearing barbarians of any type saying they need a blood stone. Yiur strength should be so high you don't miss accept on a 2, which means your confirmation for a critical hits unless you roll a 1 anyway. Get that p.o.s. of your avatar, and get a DUSKSTONE or some other built in blur item, FAR more important then a seeker. Seekers work best for fighters with insane crit ratios, which few barbs have, especially those of us prefering GAs and GSs. Also works great for rangers rogues monks etc things that dont have such an insane to hit bonus or strength. If you are worried about AC make a fighter,monk rogue or ranger and stop whining about your gimp barbie doll

Duskheart is utterly worthless, how often do you run without somebody who can give you blur? Bloodstones don't only add to crit confirmation rolls, they also deal 6 extra damage BEFORE multipliers on a critical hit. So crit'ing with a bloodstone and a greataxe adds 18 damage. Dusk and blur do not stack.

[liamfrancais]

Duskheart is utterly worthless, how often do you run without somebody who can give you blur? Bloodstones don't only add to crit confirmation rolls, they also deal 6 extra damage BEFORE multipliers on a critical hit. So crit'ing with a bloodstone and a greataxe adds 18 damage. Dusk and blur do not stack.

I run many favor quests solo so not many people to give me blur that way.

[Seacog]

yea, and theres always some one to cast death ward too so why use deathblock ever? ever hear of dispel? anitmagic field? nuthing like running into the subterraen meeting up with 7-8 renders and a beholder, bam buffs gone, reavers all hit me and down my hp goes... yet that blur, would buy casters time to heal me, since THAT would still be in affect.. i dont like to trust in buffs they are too easily lost. Rez mid fight, that dusk might save ya a hit as the cleric quickly heals ya.

[Phidius]

yea, and theres always some one to cast death ward too so why use deathblock ever? ever hear of dispel? anitmagic field? nuthing like running into the subterraen meeting up with 7-8 renders and a beholder, bam buffs gone, reavers all hit me and down my hp goes... yet that blur, would buy casters time to heal me, since THAT would still be in affect.. i dont like to trust in buffs they are too easily lost. Rez mid fight, that dusk might save ya a hit as the cleric quickly heals ya.

I mostly play arcanes, and I have to agree - if someone dies, there's usually a reason for it, so re-casting blur, GH, stone skin, etc... is something I do once everything is under control again.

[Pallol_One-Eye]

Liam,

I have run with Adarforged on several occasions, I have never seen an issue with the build. If you are going to use THF, may I suggest getting GTHF feat as well, it adds to the glancing damage..it can add up to a nice amount.

I also suggest you get to work on a nice crafted Shroud GA. I have my 3x positive done, which can lay some SERIOUS lumber. I should be finishing my MIN II this weekend, had a little drunk crafting accident earlier with it that I wish not to replicate. Also, a MIN II GA, even at tier 2 gives you 2x of stoneskin..always useful!

I would also suggest trying to get a Docent of Defiance, a set of Levik's Bracers from the Hound( you will be able to be healed on par with a fleshy after that) and get yourself a nice collection of Guard Docents to deal incidental damage if the time comes that you need to turtle.

My own WF Barb is lvl 16 and pure. I don't have the correct feats/enhancements as I got no intim at all currently. I sit at 28 STR, 22 DEX and 32 CON unraged. I have an unbuffed AC of 32 in most instances. I take a fair amount of damage, but deal significantly more than I take.

Anyway, I would STRONGLY advise that you either stay pure Barb, or take a splash or 2 of fighter for the added feats. Other than that, kill stuff, have fun and Raid till your face falls off!

[Gunga]

best WF build? have you not seen my oat build? hmm., maybe i should do a repost. I still havent a ranger with as high an AC/DPS comparison.


wanders off....

Nonsense.