Drow battlecleric

[Gildas]

Hi

Have been having thoughts about creating a Drow dex based battlecleric.
Is it a viable build and if so how would i go about doing it??

[richieelias27]

Reasons not to go Dex based with a battlecleric:
You can wear full plate
None of your self buffs give a bonus to Dex while bulls str gives +4 str and Divine power gives a whopping +6
Without the Armor dex enhancements of a fighter or dwarf, your AC wont be all that great unless you invest alot into making it so.
Your melee damage will suffer.

Reasons to go Dex based
Little bit better AC
ranged options
reflex+evasion if you go for rogue/cleric


Its up to you really. If you go rogue/cleric, definitely do dex based. Fighter/cleric I'd stick with str, and even then I wouldnt go higher than 16, 14 would be fine after all your self buffs. Pure Cleric: also go with str for the same reasons as fighter. Also I'd suggest maxing wisdom no matter what you do to make yourself even more party friendly with more SP and CC options.

[Impaqt]

Reasons not to go Dex based with a battlecleric:
You can wear full plate
None of your self buffs give a bonus to Dex while bulls str gives +4 str and Divine power gives a whopping +6
Without the Armor dex enhancements of a fighter or dwarf, your AC wont be all that great unless you invest alot into making it so.
Your melee damage will suffer.

Reasons to go Dex based
Little bit better AC Ok, this is weird.... You first Drawback is "You can wear full plate" But then you say you get better AC as a Dex based.... What would you use Full Plate for Other than AC? Reduce that Overpowered Jump SKill?
ranged options
reflex+evasion if you go for rogue/cleric


Its up to you really. If you go rogue/cleric, definitely do dex based. Fighter/cleric I'd stick with str, and even then I wouldnt go higher than 16, 14 would be fine after all your self buffs. Pure Cleric: also go with str for the same reasons as fighter. Also I'd suggest maxing wisdom no matter what you do to make yourself even more party friendly with more SP and CC options.

Your Missing a Whopper of a Dex Based Battle Cleric Option...

Cleric/Monk.

2 Levels of Monk Give you Evasiona and 2 Feats (Weapon Finesse and TOughness). Plus, If you can get some nice Kamas, you get yoru Wisdom Bonus to AC.

Divine Power Still Boosts your BAB to 1:1 and Its always Nice to have the extra Damage. Plus, Getting to a 26-30 Dex on a Drow is a LOT easier than Getting to a 26-30 STR on ANY Race for a Clerical build.


9,17,12,10,17,10 stats with level Up Points inWisdom get you a 26 DEX With just a +1 Tome and +2 Elf Dex....

16 BAB
8 Dex Bonus
3 Divine Favor
2 Heroism Potion
1 Haste
3 Avg Weapon
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+33 First Swing. Make it A Rapier and +34-+35 Add a GH.. Bard Song.... and +40 First swing isnt out of the question.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Well, I have one, but I'm not happy with her. For all the reasons mentioned above.

I went TWF and low con to make it worse.

She can fight. And she can do damage. She does not do uber damage.....nor can she take a hit. Low AC and low HP.

Dex can't get you much AC on a cleric.

You can go Wep finesse and hit things. And you can get a slightly decent ref save which is nice. Plus dex helps with ranging.

But all dex builds have low damage. And DDO armor is not dex friendly unless you are a Ftr. Or have such a high dex that you use Robes.

Equipment matters way more than build though.
For a long time I used twin frost SS of Maiming and got a lot of kills at the lower mid lvls. Even had the high kill count in a SC run I remember.......I remember because the two melee types were competing with each other for the kill count and never mentioned that mine was higher... But mine was supplememented with spells as well. And it helped that those Giants would rather do their knock back attack than actually try to hurt you most of the time.

Special weps are how most dex builds get a lot of kills. A vorpal or banisher doesn't care what your Str is.

Oh, Str matters for carrying cap too. Heavy Armor weighs a lot!

It's hard to get kills when you are runnig slow and bringing up the rear.

[GeneralDiomedes]

Plus, If you can get some nice Kamas, you get yoru Wisdom Bonus to AC.

Wisdom bonus doesn't require you to be centered, just unencumbered by shield/armour .. and from Eladrin's comments this sounds like it's going to stay that way.

[Impaqt]

Wisdom bonus doesn't require you to be centered, just unencumbered .. and from Eladrin's comments this sounds like it's not going to change.

Oooo.. Please Link that commnet if ya can.. I was under the Impression that the WIsdom/AC Bonus thing was going to get fixed. That makes the Cleric/Monk Dex Battle CLeric all that much MORE attractive... a Sheid + Rapier and Still get your Wisdom AC... SIgn me up.

[GeneralDiomedes]

Oooo.. Please Link that commnet if ya can.. I was under the Impression that the WIsdom/AC Bonus thing was going to get fixed. That makes the Cleric/Monk Dex Battle CLeric all that much MORE attractive... a Sheid + Rapier and Still get your Wisdom AC... SIgn me up.

The monk wisdom (and class) bonus to armor class should essentially function "by the book". This bonus should be lost if wearing any armor, using a shield, or encumbered. It does not check for ki weapons however - it's less restrictive than the monk abilities that require one to remain centered.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...om#post1774968

That sounds pretty "final" to me anyways .. or it could just be wishful thinking

EDIT - I didn't see your comment about using a shield .. you would probably have to fit TWF into the build somehow. Even so, sounds like something I would want to play

[Impaqt]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...om#post1774968

That sounds pretty "final" to me anyways .. or it could just be wishful thinking

EDIT - I didn't see your comment about using a shield .. you would probably have to fit TWF into the build somehow, however.

Interesting.. So no Sheild.... Bummer.... but not the end of the world...

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Oooo.. Please Link that commnet if ya can.. I was under the Impression that the WIsdom/AC Bonus thing was going to get fixed. That makes the Cleric/Monk Dex Battle CLeric all that much MORE attractive... a Sheid + Rapier and Still get your Wisdom AC... SIgn me up.

I think one thing people forget (me too) is that you dont need wep finesee/dex to make good use of a rapier.

A high str drow can do more damage with a rapier and have an extra feat to play with.

[Impaqt]

I think one thing people forget (me too) is that you dont need wep finesee/dex to make good use of a rapier.

A high str drow can do more damage with a rapier and have an extra feat to play with.

lol, Trust me, I'm well aware that a Rapier can be effectively used STR based....

What I think most people miss in actuality is the fact that a Battle Cleric isnt a DPS Machine..... +2 to damage from STR isnt all that noticable.... A Good battle cleric (one that doesnt forego Wisdom/Casting abilities) is going to be swinging Punctuing.. Banishing.. SMiting..... Paralyzing... Vorpal........ Disruption............ Not DPS Weapons..... +2 Damage is Nothing.....

[Talon_Moonshadow]

lol, Trust me, I'm well aware that a Rapier can be effectively used STR based....

What I think most people miss in actuality is the fact that a Battle Cleric isnt a DPS Machine..... +2 to damage from STR isnt all that noticable.... A Good battle cleric (one that doesnt forego Wisdom/Casting abilities) is going to be swinging Punctuing.. Banishing.. SMiting..... Paralyzing... Vorpal........ Disruption............ Not DPS Weapons..... +2 Damage is Nothing.....

I just wish I could get some of those for mine now.
She's finally high enough to use them, but I'm too poor to get them....plus it's hard to find a group for her....don't want to join unless there is another cleric already.
Wounding/Puncturing would go great with poison and slimy doom.
Some of the others would go great with Bestow Curse.

My problem is I have too many chars and not enough resources to outfit them like I'd like to.
Then there's the fact that the capped chars are on one server, and the 10-13s who could most benifit from hand-me-downs are on another.

Clerics spells are good, but they lack SP to be total offensive casters. And they lack DPS from melee too. They also lack the melee enhancements and the offensive spell enhancements.
It's a difficult balance.

[Impaqt]

I just wish I could get some of those for mine now.
She's finally high enough to use them, but I'm too poor to get them....plus it's hard to find a group for her....don't want to join unless there is another cleric already.
Wounding/Puncturing would go great with poison and slimy doom.
Some of the others would go great with Bestow Curse.

My problem is I have too many chars and not enough resources to outfit them like I'd like to.
Then there's the fact that the capped chars are on one server, and the 10-13s who could most benifit from hand-me-downs are on another.

Clerics spells are good, but they lack SP to be total offensive casters. And they lack DPS from melee too. They also lack the melee enhancements and the offensive spell enhancements.
It's a difficult balance.

Not as Dificult as you make it out to be.....

Paralyzers are a dime a dozen now... If you cant get your hands ona Rapier, any Simple Weapon will do. Or Kama if your Monk SPlash. Curspewing is Great, Wounding OR (Note I said OR, not a Typo)Puncturing weapons are still VERY efective. No need to have the Magical Woundng OF Puncturing ona Cleric.