Need to ease up on the ban of rogues...

[Trixity]

We need to ease up the banning of rogues a little bit.

I tried to get in a well balanced shroud run today and was just flat out denied.

Maybe it's because bad ones had influenced the marketplace but people need to keep an open mind.

A well played, well equipped, well made rogue can benefit any party.

Don't just expect us to disarm traps in some but not include us in others.



/off my soap box now

Klatwo

[totmacher]

If you wanna know why that happened, it's because DPS is king in the Shroud and unfortunately rogues are not known for DPS

That stinks though, even though I love optimal groups for doing a quest, "deviation" allows for some interesting times and who knows, might discover some new tactics and whatnot

[CSFurious]

i am currently running a capped tempest ranger & assassin rogue in the shroud

it is much easier to get the tempest ranger into the shroud

however, there are some ****-poor rogues running around so i can understand some fear from the leader's perspective

anyway, most shroud groups can definitely admit one good rogue; the question is where do you find one? also, good rogue does not mean spamming scrolls on the tanks, it means contributing dps

[Beherit_Baphomar]

/signed.

Had a guildie semi-retire from this game because of this very issue.
I think its gone on long enough that people should realise that a well built rogue is as much a gamble as a barbarian.

Or a fighter.

Or a cleric.

What Im saying is it doesn't matter what class you are taking into yer party, yer taking a risk that its a gimp and someone
who doesn't have a clue.

Rogues should not be singled out.

[Rowanheal]

i am currently running a capped tempest ranger & assassin rogue in the shroud

it is much easier to get the tempest ranger into the shroud

however, there are some ****-poor rogues running around so i can understand some fear from the leader's perspective

anyway, most shroud groups can definitely admit one good rogue; the question is where do you find one? also, good rogue does not mean spamming scrolls on the tanks, it means contributing dps

Now are we saying Rowanshadow is ****? I am not straight up DPS... I use a silver bow and arrows in the shroud and I do heal scrolls use a w/p dagger when I can... I mean I am multipurpose... I kill, I heal, I unlock things, I rez...I heal myself..

Oh and I am WF... and PINK... how can you go wrong...

I haven't actually been turned down, but maybe its cuz I am mostly me...

I am a good rogue...

*sticks out her tongue*

See ya in Stormreach,

-R

[alchilito]

a good rogue like Klat is always welcome in my parties.

[CSFurious]

first, the damage that you do with a silver bow compared to a ranger is weak-sauce

now, if you took a feat or two & got a nice crossbow that was transmuting or holy burst shooting silver bolts that would be good; my point is that rangers should fight with the silver bow not rogues

also, to get your sneak attack damage, you will have to get so close that you may as well just fight melee

anyway, if i want a heal-scroll spammer, i will bring a bard

i want that w/p dagger for my halfling rogue, give it to me immediately

Now are we saying Rowanshadow is ****? I am not straight up DPS... I use a silver bow and arrows in the shroud and I do heal scrolls use a w/p dagger when I can... I mean I am multipurpose... I kill, I heal, I unlock things, I rez...I heal myself..

Oh and I am WF... and PINK... how can you go wrong...

I haven't actually been turned down, but maybe its cuz I am mostly me...

I am a good rogue...

*sticks out her tongue*

See ya in Stormreach,

-R

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Seems to me that 2 rogues could take down that Fire Elemental a lot easier than the 3 Sorcs who kept getting one shotted everytime they tried to pull agro off my Rgr.

I'll bet they could take down any of those other guys in Prt 2 as well. Plus open locks in prt 3. Plus range the pit fiend, or help heal in 4 and 5.

I'll be some could tank him too....at least jump in every now and then and do a ton of damage.

Then there is running around and killing mobs in part 1.

That's of course for those rogues who don't have duel greater construct bane weps...........we all know only barbs have those.

[Gunga]

I don't ever ban dwarf rogues with 6 levels of ranger.

[CSFurious]

problem is that a lot of groups bring rangers for this

anyway, i actually see shroud groups now waiting not for a cleric or bard, but for another ranger

i do take on the fire elemental with my rogue with a ranger, it is fun

my how the worm has turned for rangers

Seems to me that 2 rogues could take down that Fire Elemental a lot easier than the 3 Sorcs who kept getting one shotted everytime they tried to pull agro off my Rgr.

I'll bet they could take down any of those other guys in Prt 2 as well. Plus open locks in prt 3. Plus range the pit fiend, or help heal in 4 and 5.

I'll be some could tank him too....at least jump in every now and then and do a ton of damage.

Then there is running around and killing mobs in part 1.

That's of course for those rogues who don't have duel greater construct bane weps...........we all know only barbs have those.

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

unfortunately rogues are not known for DPS

Sadly true, despite their high-DPS capabilities.

[MrCow]

Seems to me that 2 rogues could take down that Fire Elemental a lot easier than the 3 Sorcs who kept getting one shotted everytime they tried to pull agro off my Rgr.

I agree, I cringe whenever someone tells me to go take down the fire elementals as a caster. Give me the gnoll or orc or troll or earth elemental or kitty. Those I can control with much more ease and not have to keep mitigating delayed blast fireball damage.

[Varr]

I have run this a billion times like all of you have.........there is someone on khyber that hosts these runs and asks my weapon set everytime I apply but I can just not ever remember this persons alts. Keep in mind, this run is no longer hard........6 players and 6 muppets can run this run, so at this point Ive already decided not to run with this host. I always make up some goofball weapon set like +3 flaming shortsword and treason, or tenerizer and +4 frost dagger. I try to not do silly things like this normaly, but this particular sinario just sticks in my craw, so I am compelled to tomfoolery. Of course the host takes someone else, and I find the next group and off we go. Im equipt to the gills, in that I love my rogue more than any and have been playing forever..........with this being said, if the one rogue you are brining in is incompident, and can only unlock doors (as long as no spawning in part 2) then so what. So 4 more heal scrolls are used on this run, if your using healing scrolls in the first place. There are no rogues that are bad enough for it to matter in this run. Now if your taking your 3rd rogue in group, I can see some questioning, but one? Silly silly silly.

[MrCow]

there is someone on khyber that hosts these runs and asks my weapon set everytime I apply but I can just not ever remember this persons alts. Keep in mind, this run is no longer hard........6 players and 6 muppets can run this run, so at this point Ive already decided not to run with this host. I always make up some goofball weapon set

Next time tell him you plan to use a Smoldering Cudgel and that you can't afford to die.

[CSFurious]

all of the time from pug shrouds with my rogue, just happened last night without explanation

however, i stopped caring a long time ago about those types of players & just go do something else

it is their group, they can play with who they choose

[Varr]

Next time tell him you plan to use a Smoldering Cudgel and that you can't afford to die.


Deffinatly doing this! Varr must live if he chooses to come with you. Sloldering Cudgel it is!

[Vorn]

Unfortunately it may come down not to banning per se (which I tend think more of in by name terms then by class), but what the group leader thinks s/he needs to complete the mission. If the LFM says x and I'm a y, I might try a /tell if I think I can contribute and I know the leader (many times over thanks to those of you who drag me through), sometimes the group leader says "sure, bring it on," others it's "NTY" and still others it's silence. Might not agree with their assessment but, hey, it's their LFM. This means it's wait for another shot, or make your own group time. I don't think anyone is entitled to a spot in a group.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

I agree, I cringe whenever someone tells me to go take down the fire elementals as a caster. Give me the gnoll or orc or troll or earth elemental or kitty. Those I can control with much more ease and not have to keep mitigating delayed blast fireball damage.

Yup, same. Last time I sat there, hasted the two rangers and watch them go to town. Didnt hit the ellie with a single spell.
What sense does it make when two rangers are eating the guy up, not taking a lick of damage for me to go and pull aggro with an 800 point cone of cold/polar ray and then be running for my life, ****ing off the cleric and the two rangers?

Sorc/Wiz bad for Fire Ellie.
Please remember this.

[Varr]

But a 14/2 wizard/rogue is built for it! Bring on the heat!

[Magi]

ummmm, if you get one shotted by that fire ele then maybe you need not worry about finding a rogue....find another sorc.