Need to ease up on the ban of rogues...

[Trixity]

We need to ease up the banning of rogues a little bit.

I tried to get in a well balanced shroud run today and was just flat out denied.

Maybe it's because bad ones had influenced the marketplace but people need to keep an open mind.

A well played, well equipped, well made rogue can benefit any party.

Don't just expect us to disarm traps in some but not include us in others.



/off my soap box now

Klatwo

[totmacher]

If you wanna know why that happened, it's because DPS is king in the Shroud and unfortunately rogues are not known for DPS

That stinks though, even though I love optimal groups for doing a quest, "deviation" allows for some interesting times and who knows, might discover some new tactics and whatnot

[CSFurious]

i am currently running a capped tempest ranger & assassin rogue in the shroud

it is much easier to get the tempest ranger into the shroud

however, there are some ****-poor rogues running around so i can understand some fear from the leader's perspective

anyway, most shroud groups can definitely admit one good rogue; the question is where do you find one? also, good rogue does not mean spamming scrolls on the tanks, it means contributing dps

[Beherit_Baphomar]

/signed.

Had a guildie semi-retire from this game because of this very issue.
I think its gone on long enough that people should realise that a well built rogue is as much a gamble as a barbarian.

Or a fighter.

Or a cleric.

What Im saying is it doesn't matter what class you are taking into yer party, yer taking a risk that its a gimp and someone
who doesn't have a clue.

Rogues should not be singled out.

[Rowanheal]

i am currently running a capped tempest ranger & assassin rogue in the shroud

it is much easier to get the tempest ranger into the shroud

however, there are some ****-poor rogues running around so i can understand some fear from the leader's perspective

anyway, most shroud groups can definitely admit one good rogue; the question is where do you find one? also, good rogue does not mean spamming scrolls on the tanks, it means contributing dps

Now are we saying Rowanshadow is ****? I am not straight up DPS... I use a silver bow and arrows in the shroud and I do heal scrolls use a w/p dagger when I can... I mean I am multipurpose... I kill, I heal, I unlock things, I rez...I heal myself..

Oh and I am WF... and PINK... how can you go wrong...

I haven't actually been turned down, but maybe its cuz I am mostly me...

I am a good rogue...

*sticks out her tongue*

See ya in Stormreach,

-R

[alchilito]

a good rogue like Klat is always welcome in my parties.

[CSFurious]

first, the damage that you do with a silver bow compared to a ranger is weak-sauce

now, if you took a feat or two & got a nice crossbow that was transmuting or holy burst shooting silver bolts that would be good; my point is that rangers should fight with the silver bow not rogues

also, to get your sneak attack damage, you will have to get so close that you may as well just fight melee

anyway, if i want a heal-scroll spammer, i will bring a bard

i want that w/p dagger for my halfling rogue, give it to me immediately

Now are we saying Rowanshadow is ****? I am not straight up DPS... I use a silver bow and arrows in the shroud and I do heal scrolls use a w/p dagger when I can... I mean I am multipurpose... I kill, I heal, I unlock things, I rez...I heal myself..

Oh and I am WF... and PINK... how can you go wrong...

I haven't actually been turned down, but maybe its cuz I am mostly me...

I am a good rogue...

*sticks out her tongue*

See ya in Stormreach,

-R

[Varr]

I have run this a billion times like all of you have.........there is someone on khyber that hosts these runs and asks my weapon set everytime I apply but I can just not ever remember this persons alts. Keep in mind, this run is no longer hard........6 players and 6 muppets can run this run, so at this point Ive already decided not to run with this host. I always make up some goofball weapon set like +3 flaming shortsword and treason, or tenerizer and +4 frost dagger. I try to not do silly things like this normaly, but this particular sinario just sticks in my craw, so I am compelled to tomfoolery. Of course the host takes someone else, and I find the next group and off we go. Im equipt to the gills, in that I love my rogue more than any and have been playing forever..........with this being said, if the one rogue you are brining in is incompident, and can only unlock doors (as long as no spawning in part 2) then so what. So 4 more heal scrolls are used on this run, if your using healing scrolls in the first place. There are no rogues that are bad enough for it to matter in this run. Now if your taking your 3rd rogue in group, I can see some questioning, but one? Silly silly silly.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Seems to me that 2 rogues could take down that Fire Elemental a lot easier than the 3 Sorcs who kept getting one shotted everytime they tried to pull agro off my Rgr.

I'll bet they could take down any of those other guys in Prt 2 as well. Plus open locks in prt 3. Plus range the pit fiend, or help heal in 4 and 5.

I'll be some could tank him too....at least jump in every now and then and do a ton of damage.

Then there is running around and killing mobs in part 1.

That's of course for those rogues who don't have duel greater construct bane weps...........we all know only barbs have those.

[CSFurious]

problem is that a lot of groups bring rangers for this

anyway, i actually see shroud groups now waiting not for a cleric or bard, but for another ranger

i do take on the fire elemental with my rogue with a ranger, it is fun

my how the worm has turned for rangers

Seems to me that 2 rogues could take down that Fire Elemental a lot easier than the 3 Sorcs who kept getting one shotted everytime they tried to pull agro off my Rgr.

I'll bet they could take down any of those other guys in Prt 2 as well. Plus open locks in prt 3. Plus range the pit fiend, or help heal in 4 and 5.

I'll be some could tank him too....at least jump in every now and then and do a ton of damage.

Then there is running around and killing mobs in part 1.

That's of course for those rogues who don't have duel greater construct bane weps...........we all know only barbs have those.

[MrCow]

Seems to me that 2 rogues could take down that Fire Elemental a lot easier than the 3 Sorcs who kept getting one shotted everytime they tried to pull agro off my Rgr.

I agree, I cringe whenever someone tells me to go take down the fire elementals as a caster. Give me the gnoll or orc or troll or earth elemental or kitty. Those I can control with much more ease and not have to keep mitigating delayed blast fireball damage.

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

unfortunately rogues are not known for DPS

Sadly true, despite their high-DPS capabilities.

[kyebosh]

...rogues are not known for DPS...

Then, with respect, you don't know the right Rogues
Ran the Shroud a few days ago with a balanced (i.e: not Barb heavy) group, having 2 pure Rogues & a 15/1 Rog/Ftr. Killed Harry in one pass on part 4

Yet I still get declined from parties, but a lot less than I used to. It seems that good leaders are beginning to realise Rogue combat potential & I often get asked if I'm "Trapsmith" or "Combat" before a Party invite. Having said that, it is still a tough class to build/master, so there will always be a wariness about blindly inviting just any Rogue.

[Aesop]

When asked if I'm a trapsmith or Combat... I usually say both... I can hit every trap in the game and I can kill... so what's the issue?

Actually the issue is I have overall sub par equipment because it was a pain leveling up a non guilded rogue (and every other character I have)

Now everyone is complaining about monks and I'm trying to level up two of them

Much like my relationships in the real world I always go for the tough ones. Sadly my inherant charisma, intelligence, good looks and modesty don't have much effect on my game play with random players


Aesop

[Gunga]

I don't ever ban dwarf rogues with 6 levels of ranger.

[Rowanheal]

*sputters*

WEAKSAUCE... I know you did NOT throw that in my direction... uh uh...

I have a ranger... if I want to, I will play her

Ok so its not uber damage... but I do my part... I am good player, good company and I even did a speed run or 5 LOL

And actually your point is the one we are arguing...

All types of players are welcome in the shroud... it seriously doesn't take much to complete it since we are all doing it in 20-30 minutes now *shrugs*

Besides... this is about fun...

I think...

Some of the players make me wonder sometimes

*ponders*

See ya in Stormreach,

-R

[adamkatt]

We need to ease up the banning of rogues a little bit.

I tried to get in a well balanced shroud run today and was just flat out denied.

Maybe it's because bad ones had influenced the marketplace but people need to keep an open mind.

A well played, well equipped, well made rogue can benefit any party.

Don't just expect us to disarm traps in some but not include us in others.



/off my soap box now

Klatwo

Well your still posting so we can assume a least one rogue inst banned!

[Treerat]

Welcome to online-gaming.

The ones that lead are generally the loud-mouthed idiots ("uber guild" or no) because the people who actually know what they're doing refuse to deal with people who need a babysitter anymore.

I just let karma take it's course. They exclude my paladin or rogue because they aren't the "best" builds (in the minds of the narrow-minded idiots), when they come around begging my wizard to fill a caster slot or asking my cleric to join, or are crying to get an intimidate tank for VoD or hound, I just tell them and their guilds to go to hell.

[toughguyjoe]

A card carrying devout smither of traps. My DPS is ****.

But you know who my DPS climbs up against? Harry. and Sulu or that matter. i use a light repeater which isn't all that great
(+2 holy/pure good)

I bring more silver bolts than i can shoot in an entire shroud run, and stand as far away from either of those two guys as i can. Sneak attacks be damned, i'd rather put up some moderate DEPS and be alive to rez people and heal if need be.

However, if someone doesn't want to take me into their shroud group, i guess thats ok. i'll find another one soon.

The talk of leaders being bad is just all too common these days. You get people who have been told that The Shroud is easy now, and they just assume that if they put up an LFm and take lots of clerics and barbarians that it'll do itself.

I think what some people miss is that you need GOOD PLAYERS first, followed by good toons as a close second.



Its a powerful weapon, knowing what you're doing- William Murderface