trying for self reliant build. would like at least 2nd lvl spells for healing purposes. Should I drop some of my sorcerer levels for for fighter/paladin. Any help with enhancements is appreciated
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 2.96 DDO Character Planner Home Page RDaneel Olivaw Level 16 Lawful Good Warforged Male (4 Fighter \ 3 Paladin \ 9 Sorcerer) Hit Points: 192 Spell Points: 769 BAB: 11\11\16\21 Fortitude: 17 Reflex: 10 Will: 15 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16) Strength 15 15 15 Dexterity 12 12 12 Constitution 14 16 16 Intelligence 10 10 10 Wisdom 10 10 10 Charisma 14 16 16 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16) Balance 1 1 1 Bluff 2 8 8 Concentration 6 22 22 Diplomacy 2 3 3 Disable Device n/a n/a n/a Haggle 2 3 3 Heal 4 6 6 Hide 1 1 1 Intimidate 2 3 3 Jump 2 2 2 Listen 0 0 0 Move Silently 1 1 1 Open Lock n/a n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 0 8 8 Search 0 0 0 Spot 0 0 0 Swim 2 2 2 Tumble n/a n/a n/a Use Magic Device n/a n/a n/a Level 1 (Paladin) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Heal (+4) Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality Feat: (Automatic) Attack Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General) Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Feat: (Automatic) Sunder Feat: (Automatic) Trip Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Resistances Level 2 (Sorcerer) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training Spell (1): Repair Light Damage Spell (1): Shield Level 3 (Paladin) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Heal (+1) Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands Level 4 (Paladin) Ability Raise: CHA Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Heal (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity Level 5 (Sorcerer) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Spell (1): Hypnotism Level 6 (Fighter) Skill: Repair (+2) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency Level 7 (Sorcerer) Skill: Bluff (+2) Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray Level 8 (Fighter) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Repair (+2) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Level 9 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+2) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Spell (2): Repair Moderate Damage Level 10 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+2) Spell (2): Blur Level 11 (Fighter) Skill: Repair (+2) Level 12 (Fighter) Ability Raise: CHA Skill: Repair (+2) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 13 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+2) Spell (3): Haste Level 14 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+2) Spell (2): Resist Energy Spell (3): Repair Serious Damage Level 15 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+2) Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell Spell (4): Repair Critical Damage Level 16 (Sorcerer) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Spell (2): False Life Spell (3): Displacement Spell (4): Stoneskin
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07-14-2008, 02:39 PM #1Community Member
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Warrior / wizard
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07-14-2008, 04:39 PM #2Community Member
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worthless information
Working on a Sorc/Pal build myself, still really new to the game, but that won't stop me from responding
Plus I have a couple of related questions as well.
I'm not sure you need Force of Personality. With Divine Grace already giving all of your saves your CHA bonus and access to the Construct Thinking enhancement line (+will save), I wonder if this feat could be better spent on something else. If not, maybe hold off on it until level 6 or 8 and slide up Weapon Focus and Power Attack to earlier slots? Extend? Maybe grab Mithral Body since you're going to be so melee focused (+5 AC and only 5% spell failure at level 6 with Inscribed Armor enhancements)? I'm sure a more experienced player can give better insight on this.
This an honest question to you or anyone else. What is the purpose of the third level of Paladin for a WF? D.Health isn't helpful as you are already immune to disease. Is Aura of Courage/fear immunity that helpful? Would stocking up on potions to break/resist the effect be a simpler solution (assuming they are easy/inexpensive to come by)?
I'm also not sure how useful Hypnotism will be for you either, since I think it will be a fairly low DC Will save by the time you get it. Maybe one of the other 1st level buff or auto hit spells would make more sense.
Far and away not an expert on this, just parroting out some of the comments I've seen while researching my build.Last edited by JetEskimo; 07-14-2008 at 04:46 PM.
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another possibility
On this version dropped 2 Sorcerer levels picked up 2 fighter levels
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 2.96 DDO Character Planner Home Page RDaneel Olivaw Level 16 Lawful Good Warforged Male (6 Fighter \ 3 Paladin \ 7 Sorcerer) Hit Points: 235 Spell Points: 698 BAB: 12\12\17\22 Fortitude: 19 Reflex: 11 Will: 16 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16) Strength 15 15 16 Dexterity 12 12 12 Constitution 14 16 18 Intelligence 10 10 10 Wisdom 10 10 10 Charisma 14 16 17 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16) Balance 1 1 1 Bluff 2 7.5 7.5 Concentration 6 21.5 21.5 Diplomacy 2 3 3 Disable Device n/a n/a n/a Haggle 2 3 3 Heal 4 6 6 Hide 1 1 1 Intimidate 2 3 3 Jump 2 3 3 Listen 0 0 0 Move Silently 1 1 1 Open Lock n/a n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 0 8 8 Search 0 0 0 Spot 0 0 0 Swim 2 3 3 Tumble n/a n/a n/a Use Magic Device n/a n/a n/a Level 1 (Paladin) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Heal (+4) Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality Feat: (Automatic) Attack Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General) Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Feat: (Automatic) Sunder Feat: (Automatic) Trip Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Resistances Enhancement: Follower of the Lord of Blades Level 2 (Sorcerer) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training Spell (1): Repair Light Damage Spell (1): Shield Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I Level 3 (Paladin) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Heal (+1) Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I Level 4 (Paladin) Ability Raise: CHA Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Heal (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation I Level 5 (Sorcerer) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Spell (1): Hypnotism Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I Level 6 (Fighter) Skill: Repair (+2) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency Level 7 (Sorcerer) Skill: Bluff (+2) Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Force I Level 8 (Fighter) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Repair (+2) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Level 9 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+2) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Spell (2): Repair Moderate Damage Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction II Level 10 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+2) Spell (2): Blur Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation II Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II Level 11 (Fighter) Skill: Repair (+2) Level 12 (Fighter) Ability Raise: CHA Skill: Repair (+2) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Force I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction III Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II Level 13 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+2) Spell (3): Haste Level 14 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+2) Spell (3): Repair Serious Damage Spell (2): Resist Energy Level 15 (Fighter) Skill: Concentration (+1) Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave Level 16 (Fighter) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Bluff (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+0.5) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
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07-14-2008, 04:55 PM #4Community Member
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Thanks for your critique
Originally Posted by JetEskimo
Working on a Sorc/Pal build myself, still really new to the game, but that won't stop me from responding Plus I have a couple of related questions as well.
I'm not sure you need Force of Personality. With Divine Grace already giving all of your saves your CHA bonus (and I'm sure you'll be looking for CHA enhancing gear), I wonder if this feat could be better spent on something else (at least that was my reasoning). If not, maybe hold off on it until level 6 or 8 and slide up Weapon Focus and Power Attack to earlier slots? Extend? Maybe grab the mid-level WF armor feat since you're going to be so melee focused (and can get rid of most of the penalties before you hit your third caster level w/ enhancements)? I'm sure a more experienced player can give better insight on this. Did not realize this about paladins but isn't divine grace a 2nd level ability and not in effect at 1st level.
This an honest question to you or anyone else. What is the purpose of the third level of Paladin for a WF? D.Health isn't helpful as you are already immune to disease. Is Aura of Courage/fear immunity that helpful? Would stocking up on potions to break/resist the effect be a simpler solution (assuming they are easy/inexpensive to come by)? At 4th level you are still running around the harbor/market trying to finish things on Elite. The shaman and other spellcasters are usually throwing fear at you. It is the only spell you have to worry about as a WF with a low wisdom.
I'm also not sure how useful Hypnotism will be for you either, since I think it will be a fairly low DC Will save by the time you get it. Maybe one of the other 1st level buff or auto hit spells would make more sense. Hypnotism is still a viable spell around 5th level. This toon is basicly going to try and solo alot of adventures. Self healing is a wonderful thing.
Far and away not an expert on this, just parroting out some of the comments I've seen while researching my build.
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07-14-2008, 07:58 PM #5Community Member
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Yes. it´s overkill.I'm not sure you need Force of Personality.
The 3rd level of Paladin will be a dead level at 10+. Dont take it, or you´ll regret it later.
Also dont put ability raises into CON. it will only net you 16 HP in the end.
decide if you want to be able to cast offensively, or if you try to rely on spells without save. In the 1st case put them into CHA, in the secound into STR.Erzskalde (Warchanter) / Erzassassin (just passing through - ignore me) / Erzsoldat (waiting for TR-time) / Erzschmied (ranged Artificer)
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Same Toon Different Configuration
Here is the same toon but as a 8 paladin/8 sorcerer with enhancements. I went with paladin because I wanted the Bladesworn transformation enhancement also I am primarily fighting with a great sword.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 2.96 DDO Character Planner Home Page RDaneel Olivaw1 Level 16 Lawful Good Warforged Male (8 Paladin \ 8 Sorcerer) Hit Points: 244 Spell Points: 753 BAB: 12\12\17\22 Fortitude: 19 Reflex: 12 Will: 15 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16) Strength 15 15 15 Dexterity 12 12 12 Constitution 14 16 18 Intelligence 10 10 10 Wisdom 10 10 10 Charisma 14 16 18 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16) Balance 1 1 -1 Bluff 2 5 5 Concentration 6 15 15 Diplomacy 2 6 6 Disable Device n/a n/a n/a Haggle 2 4 4 Heal 4 5 5 Hide 1 1 -1 Intimidate 2 4 4 Jump 2 2 0 Listen 0 0 0 Move Silently 1 1 -1 Open Lock n/a n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 0 9.5 11.5 Search 0 0 0 Spot 0 0 0 Swim 2 2 -2 Tumble n/a n/a n/a Use Magic Device n/a n/a n/a Level 1 (Paladin) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Heal (+4) Feat: (Selected) Mithral Body Feat: (Automatic) Attack Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General) Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Feat: (Automatic) Sunder Feat: (Automatic) Trip Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Resistances Level 2 (Sorcerer) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training Spell (1): Repair Light Damage Spell (1): Shield Enhancement: Follower of the Lord of Blades Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation I Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I Level 3 (Paladin) Skill: Repair (+1) Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I Enhancement: Warforged Mechanics I Level 4 (Paladin) Ability Raise: CHA Skill: Repair (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I Enhancement: Warforged Mechanics II Level 5 (Sorcerer) Skill: Repair (+1) Spell (1): Hypnotism Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II Level 6 (Paladin) Skill: Repair (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead Spell (1): Bless Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds Spell (1): Divine Favor Spell (1): Lesser Restoration Spell (1): Protection From Evil Spell (1): Resistance Spell (1): Seek Eternal Rest Spell (1): Virtue Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II Level 7 (Sorcerer) Skill: Repair (+1) Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation I Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction II Level 8 (Paladin) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Repair (+0.5) Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor II Level 9 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Repair (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Spell (2): Repair Moderate Damage Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation II Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II Level 10 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Repair (+0.5) Spell (2): Blur Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II Level 11 (Paladin) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Repair (+0.5) Enhancement: Bladesworn Transformation Level 12 (Sorcerer) Ability Raise: CHA Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Repair (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Spell (3): Haste Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II Level 13 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Repair (+0.5) Spell (2): Bull's Strength Spell (3): Protection From Energy Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation III Level 14 (Sorcerer) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Repair (+0.5) Spell (4): Repair Critical Damage Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor III Level 15 (Paladin) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Repair (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Improved Damage Reduction Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II Level 16 (Paladin) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Repair (+0.5) Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
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07-15-2008, 01:46 PM #7Community Member
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Sor 12 gives you recontruct.
Pal 3 gives you most Pal goodies. Maybe Pal4 if you want to use that Cha for turning undead.
or Ftr 1 for an extra feat. (and Tower shield)
Use divine power clickies to raise your BAB. Tenser's.....best from scrolls when you are out of SP, or sure you won't want to cast spells.I gave up a life of farming to become an Adventurer.
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NO Originally Posted by Emanon67
The WORST thing you can do is split it up 8 and 8. Stick with the 14/2 formula, and you will be fine OR go 14/2 fighter-wizard combo with combat expertise. Forget about turning undead, that is what you have firewall and scorch ray for.Last edited by cyadra; 07-16-2008 at 10:34 PM.
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