Cleric Question: Armor or Robes?

[Valiance]

Please detail how ya get 45 AC on a cleric.....

Keep inmind most dual weild, and wont have a chattering ring.

Concentration matters a lot for Scrolls still.

Here is my AC which I didn't even really try very hard to get.

10 base
1 dex
14 Armor (Blue Plate)
9 Shield (Madstone)
5 protection item
3 natural (Seal of the Earth or just as easily Bark pot)
2 dodge (chaosgardes)
1 haste (pots or crafted clickie)

45-

2 Recitation (Long lasting self buff that is absolutely not hard to keep going)

47 standard AC
5 human versatility boost

52 AC that is quite achievable using only Madstone shield as raid loot

The vast majority of mobs in this game will need more than a 2 to hit you with that AC (47).



And as for Quicken being the most important feat in my opinion, I can't think of one that is actually more critical. Sure you want Max for your blade barriers, probably empower too. Maybe some Mental Toughness. But when the **&^ hits the fan in raids or other tough fights. You want quicken to make sure that you can single handedly keep the entire party up. When it's looking like trouble and you can hit 2 max'd mass heals within 1 second and everyone is back to full health...well let's just say I consider that powerful. What other feat can allow a cleric to solo and/or be the sole cleric in the Reaver raid for example?

Perhaps less important on the halfling marked builds as I have heard that the marks are not interruptable. Still, my opinion is any cleric who has experienced dropping a max'd/emp'd/quickened blade barrier right in the middle of 20 mobs would consider Quicken a top feat choice.

[Atax]

Actually, my WF cleric build will have 51 unbuffed AC with no "ideal" conditions. The only "hard to get" item will be chattering ring. And for Impaqt's arguement.. he will also have sufficient wisdom (34-38) as well as sufficient spell pen. (20+)

[Impaqt]

Actually, my WF cleric build will have 51 unbuffed AC with no "ideal" conditions. The only "hard to get" item will be chattering ring. And for Impaqt's arguement.. he will also have sufficient wisdom (34-38) as well as sufficient spell pen. (20+)

Sweet.. 38 Wisdom Means your Planning on a +3 Tome and wil Be weiling a +3 Wisdom ITem. Which means your going to have to Dual Weild...

Please detail out your 50+ AC.

I assume its a Monk SPlash as well, since there is no way to get to 38 Without that on a WF. So you wont be getting that +2 Wisdom Bonus when you need to use a Wand and or scroll... You'll need a Superior Potency Kama as well. Not exactly Run of the mill stuff........


Seriously Folks.. Just beacue you can make it hapen on Paper doesnt mean its the advice you should be handing out to people asking a simple question.

I also wouldnt call a Spell Penn of 20 "Sufficient" end game.. More like Passable.... many mobs have SR in the 28-36 Range

[Valiance]

I really think my AC was easy to get. Honestly. Didn't even include a chattering ring. Madstone shield is given away almost every time it drops.

I do agree that once I craft my shroud item I will be dual wielding much more, but that doesn't mean that I won't be using a shield still quite often. A fairly "easily" attainable AC of 45 is too useful to ignore.

[Zenix_Leviticus]

I am currently building the New Zenixx with DR and effects instead of AC. So far I haven't
had any problems (Only level 12). I am one of those people that believe that armor class
is less important after level 12.

I have run around with a fighter that has a 52-56 ac for the last year and he gets hit by
everything in the Giant Hold and Vale. If there are monsters missing him, you can't tell
it.


My recipe is this:

Spearblock shield
Fearsome armor with Axeblock
Hit points!!
Know when to shield block.


I will tell you how it goes when I hit my first shroud raid..so far so good.


Let me add this.

If there was a Fearsome, DR 5/- Robe I would wear it over +5 full plate. I think DR and Fortification
are more important than AC at high levels because you are going to get hit most of the time.

[Mithran]

My own cleric wears just the Black Dragonscale Plate. He's tough as the proverbial tree root (dwarven, 14 Charisma and 34 Wisdom and 24 Constitution, with items), and he's designed to have maximum efficiency with his healing while staying alive as long as he can, healing. He only rarely enters combat, so A/C was not a high priority for him.

[adamkatt]

My armor class breakdown on my cleric Hubbs.

10 base
-1 dex mod!
4 armor bonus
_________
total 13!

[Atax]

Sweet.. 38 Wisdom Means your Planning on a +3 Tome and wil Be weiling a +3 Wisdom ITem. Which means your going to have to Dual Weild...

Please detail out your 50+ AC.

I assume its a Monk SPlash as well, since there is no way to get to 38 Without that on a WF. So you wont be getting that +2 Wisdom Bonus when you need to use a Wand and or scroll... You'll need a Superior Potency Kama as well. Not exactly Run of the mill stuff........


Seriously Folks.. Just beacue you can make it hapen on Paper doesnt mean its the advice you should be handing out to people asking a simple question.

I also wouldnt call a Spell Penn of 20 "Sufficient" end game.. More like Passable.... many mobs have SR in the 28-36 Range

First of all I would like to contradict your statement about spell pen. I said 20+, which means a minimum of 20. My sorc has 24 spell pen and never fails any spell pen except on two mobs (Named Ogre mage, named Raksasha - both in Vale. Both easily killable with Blade Barrier.), and when he runs across those, he nukes/enervates them. 20+ is sufficient for "end game" material, in my experience as a caster. That being said, my WF cleric won't really be using destruction much, since BB is more versatile and AoE's save mana.

Also, since you're so interested, I will post the build for him in another thread.

In the future, please state why you don't believe something will work, instead of simply saying "it wont work".. Stating why is the difference between criticism and trolling.