Deleras traps

[Draccus]

Last night, I got a tell asking if I'd join a group for Deleras to take care of the traps on Hard. (note: This is the thing I LOVE most about DDO. As someone who played rogues in games like EQ, DAOC, and WOW, where rogues have to beg or buy their way into groups, being ASKED to join one is fantastic).

We flew through the first few quests and I was pleasantly surprised to see that not only could I find every trap, I actually spotted most of them. However, this didn't last! By the second to last quest, I couldn't find any trap at all. We had tons of trouble on the poison traps and the dart traps near the end (the ones that guard the shrine) and I was pretty embarassed that the one thing they brought me to do, I couldn't do.

Of course, this was all forgiven when I easily opened the two locked treasure chests at the end of the quest, but, still, I would have liked to have found some of those tougher traps.

I'm level 5, with max skill points in the Big 4. I also have Skill: Search and Skill: Spot enhancements as well as skill boost. I have +3 Search goggles so I think that gives me a total search skill of 21.

I would think a skill of 21 would let me find those traps but I don't recall what level the quest is. How tough are they?

Also, is Search a rolled check vs. a DC or just a straight skill check? If I am told where the control box is, is it useful to keep searching after failing, hoping for a higher roll or is it a one-time check of the skill?

[kamimitsu]

Search is a pass/fail system. You either have a high enough search, or you don't. There is no roll involved.

As far as I can recall, the quest you referenced is higher than your level (on hard). That being said, if your search is maxed and you used boost, there are still a few things to consider:
1) Intelligence; be sure that you are wearing any item that boosts your intelligence. Alternately, keep a few potions of Fox's Cunning to give you a +4 to Intelligence (and thus a +2 to search)
2) A higher bonus Search time (I believe you can get a +5 or possibly even a +7 at level 5)
3) Buffs; either bardic songs or a potion of heroism (or Greater Heroism).

That's about all you can do, but you should be able to get it.

[Noctus]

Also, is Search a rolled check vs. a DC or just a straight skill check?

No rolling included. Either your searchisgood enough, then you find the box, or you dont.

I'm level 5,

Delera´s on Hard is a bit over your level, so its not unexpected that you missed some traps.

with max skill points in the Big 4. I also have Skill: Search and Skill: Spot enhancements as well as skill boost. I have +3 Search goggles so I think that gives me a total search skill of 21.

Also your INT-Modifier (not Score) gives a bonus to Search and Disable. So you propably had more.
If you dont find a box which you know is there do the following:
- Drink a Potion of Fox Cunning. Gives you an additional +2 through raised INT.
- Drink a Potion of Heroism. Gives you an additional +2 morale bonus to skills.
- Activate Rogue´s Silll boost.
- Ask the Bard for a Skill-Boost-Song, if you have one with you.

[arminius]

Prayer helps too, I think.

No I don't mean that kind, I mean the cleric spell.

Though you can try that other kind as well, if you're into that.

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[Draccus]

Thanks all. I didn't realize the quest was above my level. The group flew through the first few parts pretty easily and didn't really have any trouble until those traps near the end. Most people were level 6-7 so I was the only one dying

I'll start carrying Fox's Cunning and Heroism Potions. I'm really glad I took the Skill Boost enhancement as that helped me get one of them.

[dragonoffrost]

Also at level 5 you should be able to use +5 skill items. Hope you or someone in your party gets on and ask if you need it. Or check the vendors in the Rusty Nail or the Auction House to see if you can buy one. I found rogues to be very item dependent when running above level quests.

[Leyoni]

Rogues are my favorite class in DDO and I've just rebuilt mine.

You need good INT and WIS as a rogue to go with your DEX. Lots of people downplay INT and WIS but if you short change them you end up hurting as you've found out.

Most people know right where the traps are in quests (there are very few where the location isn't static) so you get no end of people helping you with their location. It doesn't do a bit of good unless you can spot and then search them out.

You cannot search unless you've spotted the trap or someone has set the trap off. Spot is a WIS skill. Carry potions of Owl's Wisdom to get a temporary boost. Carry Fox's Cunning potions to boost your INT for the search. Take buffs like heroism or any other skill boost you can get.

Definitely get and use the highest available search and spot items you can find for your level. All of those things stack (potions, buffs, items) and stack with your rogue boost. Take rogue enhancements to search and spot (racial ones too if available) and consider skill focus in each of them.

All of those things are much more important than they are given credit for to being able to spot and search successfully.

[LawstCawz]

Rogues are my favorite class in DDO and I've just rebuilt mine.

You need good INT and WIS as a rogue to go with your DEX. Lots of people downplay INT and WIS but if you short change them you end up hurting as you've found out.

You can get by with good gear and a 14 int, no wisdom.

Most people know right where the traps are in quests (there are very few where the location isn't static) so you get no end of people helping you with their location. It doesn't do a bit of good unless you can spot and then search them out.

You cannot search unless you've spotted the trap or someone has set the trap off. Spot is a WIS skill. Carry potions of Owl's Wisdom to get a temporary boost. Carry Fox's Cunning potions to boost your INT for the search. Take buffs like heroism or any other skill boost you can get.

You can search the traps even if you haven't spotted them.

Definitely get and use the highest available search and spot items you can find for your level. All of those things stack (potions, buffs, items) and stack with your rogue boost. Take rogue enhancements to search and spot (racial ones too if available) and consider skill focus in each of them.

All of those things are much more important than they are given credit for to being able to spot and search successfully.

Skill focus feats are a waste in a feat starved class. Sorry, I couldn't let the new rogue player go down like that.

[Deusxmachina]

I'm level 5, with max skill points in the Big 4. I also have Skill: Search and Skill: Spot enhancements as well as skill boost. I have +3 Search goggles so I think that gives me a total search skill of 21.

I would think a skill of 21 would let me find those traps but I don't recall what level the quest is. How tough are they?

Necro. Ka-pow!

Took my rogue 6 in there on Hard. In the last part, Thrall of the Necromancer 2, Spot warning never went off for the first, big, fire trap. Started searching where someone said it should be.

13 Intelligence? Check.
14 Wisdom? Check.
+5 Spot item? Check.
Heroism potion? Check.
Full ranks? Check.
First level of Search enhancement? Check.
Skill Boost +2? Check.
Might have had a Bard song on me, too.

Could Spot or Search for trap? Nope.

I only had a +3 Search item, so I know that was low by 2, but Spot didn't go off, either. ...Really? So then I cast Resist Fire 10 on everyone, and we ran through. With my apparently woefully inadequate 17 or 18 Reflex save, I failed the save twice rolling like a 5 and a 6. Dead. My character had 99 hitpoints, so not exactly made out of paper. He of course got hit for 109.

Before that, in part 1, couldn't find a box for the acid trap by the chest near the coffin fight and named guy. Was told there is no box there. Figured I'd spring it with my (apparently woefully inadequate) 17 or 18 reflex evasion, got hit three(!) times, saved on one rolling a 20, killed by the other two. ...really?