Throw 28 point builds a freakin bone...

[Shagn]

Okay, not talking about Shroud ingredients here...

Has it been considered to offer people who still play their 28 point builds the extra 4 stat points? So we ground out to 1750 favor and unlock 32 point builds, but that does not really help our original characters... especially people who have been playing DDO since the beginning and have several 28 point builds.

It would make a whole lot of people very happy if we could upgrade our 'old' characters to 32 point builds. It would not unbalance the game because there are already several 32 point builds running around. I know several people who do not play their 28 point builds any more (and a lot of them were clerics).

Give us something challenging. Maybe a unique quest or something like how we get our dragonmarks...

I would be okay with burning through some more favor - perhaps 2500 favor? The reward could be a bound +3 tome (similar to how we got a +2 at 1750), but the added bonus would be for the 28 point build characters could go to their trainer and distribute the 4 points into their wanted stats.

[totmacher]

have you got it out of your system now

[Inspire]

Okay, not talking about Shroud ingredients here...

Has it been considered to offer people who still play their 28 point builds the extra 4 stat points? So we ground out to 1750 favor and unlock 32 point builds, but that does not really help our original characters... especially people who have been playing DDO since the beginning and have several 28 point builds.

It would make a whole lot of people very happy if we could upgrade our 'old' characters to 32 point builds. It would not unbalance the game because there are already several 32 point builds running around. I know several people who do not play their 28 point builds any more (and a lot of them were clerics).

Give us something challenging. Maybe a unique quest or something like how we get our dragonmarks...

I would be okay with burning through some more favor - perhaps 2500 favor? The reward could be a bound +3 tome (similar to how we got a +2 at 1750), but the added bonus would be for the 28 point build characters could go to their trainer and distribute the 4 points into their wanted stats.

I Had To Reroll All My 28Pt Builds... Would Be Upset If This Was Introduced, They Had All The Uber Gear.

[Impaqt]

I was wondering when this was gonna come up again....

My original 28pt cleric is still goin stong. I dont feel hes gimped in any way. the only person who knows it s 28pt build is YOU. no one can tell from the way your character is played wheter its a 28 or 32 pt build. Best case scenario your not even getting +1 to hit or +1 dc on your spells.... 32points are nice of deep multiclass builds that requires a lot of mid of high stats, but it really doesnt make a hill of beans worth of difference on most pure or light mc builds.

If your 28pt character is gimped, it most likely would of been gimped with 32 points as well.

[Dexxaan]

have you got it out of your system now

LOL

I Had To Reroll All My 28Pt Builds... Would Be Upset If This Was Introduced, They Had All The Uber Gear.

/Agreed (Did the same)

I was wondering when this was gonna come up again....

If your 28pt character is gimped, it most likely would of been gimped with 32 points as well.

/Agredd (Will place Plat on it too)

Any Dev-Time wasted on anything as paternalistic as this would truly stink.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

LOL



/Agreed (Did the same)



/Agredd (Will place Plat on it too)

Any Dev-Time wasted on anything as paternalistic as this would truly stink.

I was totally with you up until the highlighted part.....

[Dexxaan]

I was totally with you up until the highlighted part.....

And your point is....?

....you are saying Dev-Time on a subject such as this would be a worth while "Investment"? (Excluding the fact that from a business stand point it "could" turn a sour faced casual player into a smiling one....)

Anyways...sorry I lost your vote.

[DoctorWhofan]

I was wondering when this was gonna come up again....

My original 28pt cleric is still goin stong. I dont feel hes gimped in any way. the only person who knows it s 28pt build is YOU. no one can tell from the way your character is played wheter its a 28 or 32 pt build. Best case scenario your not even getting +1 to hit or +1 dc on your spells.... 32points are nice of deep multiclass builds that requires a lot of mid of high stats, but it really doesnt make a hill of beans worth of difference on most pure or light mc builds.

If your 28pt character is gimped, it most likely would of been gimped with 32 points as well.

agreed.

Half my characters are 28pt builds. Trissa, my current oldest, is a drow. I have no issue playing my 28 pt builds. The one that is gimped, is because I chose to play a PnP Pally instead of a DDO pally. He's almost shroud ready. In fact, the only one of my level 15-16 toons is a 32 pt. build. How you create them, how you build them makes the difference. Not four points. That's just bonus.

[Gennerik]

It would be nice to actually reward the character that unlocks the initial reward with a way to be just like your other characters, but as a general thing, it's really not necessary. I know of the three characters that I have that are level 15-16, only one of them is a 32-point character. I would love to get my other two those four extra ability score buy-points, but they'd just go into making my characters a little more rounded, not really more powerful, so there wouldn't be too much more of a difference (the Barbarian would probably get 1 more point of Str and 1 Wis, while the Cleric would get 2 points of Con).

I'd like if it happens, but really don't care if it does or doesn't. I've found that I like playing my two characters enough that I don't feel like re-rolling either of them.

[Oreg]

How bout a swift kick in the nutzors you whiney bastige

Be happy that you are allowed to play...

means I can't be reported for harrasement as it is a joke post.

Seriously, the +2 tome is adequate enough reward IMO.

[Dexxaan]

How bout a swift kick in the nutzors you whiney bastige

Be happy that you are allowed to play...

means I can't be reported for harrasement as it is a joke post.

Seriously, the +2 tome is adequate enough reward IMO.

It´s all summed up here...

The last thing I want to deal with (at any quest level IF and when I PUG) is people´s 28Pt 1st toon (The Rogue with INT 8 and or the Paladin with STR 10, etc...)

Just be happy you can play them without a "28 Pt Tag" over their head...the only really acceptable (if built somewhat well 28Pt. Classes are Barbarians & Clerics pretty much.)

[StanC]

I Had To Reroll All My 28Pt Builds... Would Be Upset If This Was Introduced, They Had All The Uber Gear.

Nothing in the game said that you had to reroll your 28pt builds. It was a choice you made. The +2 tome that was given more then compensates for the 4 extra build points on the 32pt builds.

[DoctorWhofan]

Nothing in the game said that you had to reroll your 28pt builds. It was a choice you made. The +2 tome that was given more then compensates for the 4 extra build points on the 32pt builds.

you know, you are right. I forgot about that! +2 tome = 4 stat points respectivally.

[dameron]

I Had To Reroll All My 28Pt Builds... Would Be Upset If This Was Introduced, They Had All The Uber Gear.

No Kidding.

I'm Still Miffed That People Don't Have To Open Up The Inventory Window To Switch Weapons, Not To Mention All Those People Who Are Xp Capped Because They Didn't Have To Take An Xp Debt.

Plus, Every Time They Add A New Low Level Quest I Get Extra Angry That Some Newbie Gets To Level Up Without Having to Run Water Works Twenty Times.

Obviously, As The Game Approaches Level 20, The Same Rules That Governed The Player's Experience From Level 1-10 Should Be Strictly Followed, Otherwise You're Cheapening The Veteran Player's Experience.

New Player's Be Damned.

[Dawnblade]

I Had To Reroll All My 28Pt Builds... Would Be Upset If This Was Introduced, They Had All The Uber Gear.

That's a selfish attitude. Because you suffered we all have to suffer? I don't see anything wrong with giving current 28pt characters 4 extra points. I mean it was that character that worked their arses off to get the favor, why can't they get the reward themselves.

Are you mad because it was a waste of time to have to roll a new character and get the uber gear all over again? This is a video game, playing it is a complete waste of time. You played your 28pt character and hopefully had a good time playing it. Then you played your 32pt char and hopefully had a good time playing it too. It should all be fun. If it's not don't play. No one forced you to reroll.

If like someone else said 4 points don't really make a difference, why would you reroll a new character to get the 4 extra points and abandon you current uber geared 28pts build?

*shrug*

[Shaamis]

That's a selfish attitude. Because you suffered we all have to suffer? I don't see anything wrong with giving current 28pt characters 4 extra points. I mean it was that character that worked their arses off to get the favor, why can't they get the reward themselves.

28-point builds get a +2 Tome of your choice for free, which, depending on which stat you bump, is equivalent to an 8+ character-point bump, much better than 4 lousy creation points. And, the +2 tome was a later addition, because Turbine didnt originally have that benefit; when you got 1750 favor, all you GOT was the benefit to create a 32-point build. The addition of the +2 tome was from an outcry on the boards, and this argument has already happened MANY times, honest!

Are you mad because it was a waste of time to have to roll a new character and get the uber gear all over again? This is a video game, playing it is a complete waste of time. You played your 28pt character and hopefully had a good time playing it. Then you played your 32pt char and hopefully had a good time playing it too. It should all be fun. If it's not don't play. No one forced you to reroll.

Whether this game is a waste of constructive RL time, or not, doesn't mean people consider their time playing it, as equivalent to just being an air-to carbon dioxide conversion system. I work very hard at my job, so I can spend my recreation the way I want, and to simply mark off my months of time earning the right to create enhanced characters in a game, is very insulting. The 32-point build is an achievement a lot of us are proud of attaining, and to simply hand them out to those who havent put the time, energy and effort into it, is an insult as well. If Turbine hands out 32-point characters, I want a refund of the year it took me to get that character 1750 favor (in the early days when 95% of the quests had to be done on elite to get it, 1750 favor was for elitists only)

If like someone else said 4 points don't really make a difference, why would you reroll a new character to get the 4 extra points and abandon you current uber geared 28pts build?

It's true, it's all pixels, so why be attached? Unfortunately, it is also one of the only ways we have a visual reminder of the good times, bad times, and difficult times of playing. To lose all of that and start again sux, but the chance to play a favored character, make some different choices (monk for me), and see what happens THIS time, with even a slight enhancement such as 4 additional build points, is worth the effort.

The favor system was put in place because the game was hit so hard by the player base, it all but devoured all of the content in the first few months. People started asking why have normal, hard, and elite, if all you have to do is complete everything on normal, and you have experienced 100% of what the game had to offer? Turbine's response was the favor system. The favor system wasn't here from day one, although I'm sure it was a feature half-developed, and quickly introduced because of the outcry.

All-in-all the favor system helped keep DDO interesting and a challenging part for players new, as well as veterans.

Just consider 1750 favor a big badge of honor, and get out there and earn it. You'll be proud you did, just like the rest of us.

Wisdom is having the experience of being on both sides of the fence, for the view.

[MissErres]

28-point builds get a +2 Tome of your choice for free, which, depending on which stat you bump, is equivalent to an 8+ character-point bump, much better than 4 lousy creation points. And, the +2 tome was a later addition, because Turbine didnt originally have that benefit; when you got 1750 favor, all you GOT was the benefit to create a 32-point build. The addition of the +2 tome was from an outcry on the boards, and this argument has already happened MANY times, honest!

You know, I really don't care one way or the other if Turbine decides to give 28pt builds a bump up or not. But this argument about they get a free +2 tome, to me anyway, is not a valid one. Why? Because 32pt builds get that same tome when/if they get favor. It is NOT specific to 28pt builds.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

You know, I really don't care one way or the other if Turbine decides to give 28pt builds a bump up or not. But this argument about they get a free +2 tome, to me anyway, is not a valid one. Why? Because 32pt builds get that same tome when/if they get favor. It is NOT specific to 28pt builds.

Correct...they really shouldn't give the 32pt builds the tome

[Shaamis]

You know, I really don't care one way or the other if Turbine decides to give 28pt builds a bump up or not. But this argument about they get a free +2 tome, to me anyway, is not a valid one. Why? Because 32pt builds get that same tome when/if they get favor. It is NOT specific to 28pt builds.

At the time this was coded into the game, +2 tomes were the OMG you got what!?! of the game.

Right now they are not so much......

If turbine can code into the game that 28-pointers can get them, but 32-pointers get nothing at 1750 favor except a badge for the achievement (no in-game benny), I'm cool with that.

But who's to say 32-points build are the end? what if 3000 total favor lends for a 36or 38-point build in the future? This is a constantly developing system, changes are gonna happen, and I'd hate to see this argument happen ALL over again, with animosity between the 32-pointers and the 36-pointers, with the 28-pointers chiming in all of the time........

[branmakmuffin]

Just consider 1750 favor a big badge of honor, and get out there and earn it. You'll be proud you did, just like the rest of us.

I never gave about getting to 400 favor. I was looking at my highest level character's patron log one day and said "Geez, I have 400 favor." I had made jokes in the past like "Only 78 favor to Drow!".

I made a Drow. He's interesting enough, and it did open up new RP possibilities. I can't see a 32-point build opening up new RP possibilities. "Drow" has both RP benefits and mechanical benefits. I see only mechanical benefits for a 32-point build. So I really don't care. So much for "you'll be proud you did just like the rest of us." When I happen to look at someone's bio which has all the stats for their 32-point build, I roll my eyes and say, in my head, to him or her "Your mother must be so proud."

A friend has been at 400 favor for a while and still has not made a Drow AFAIK.