Exalted Smite

[Yaga_Nub]

I need to make sure that I have the formula for ES III correct.

I'm using a 14th level drow Paladin with a 30 Str and a 22 Cha using dual GS rapiers (+++) doing max damage as the example.

On the attack roll, I would get a +12 to the attack roll correct?

For example, I roll a 13 (which we say will be a hit, I get all my other bonuses plus another +12 from ES III.

Would this also apply to the critical confirmation roll?


A 13 is a crit using a rapier (and ES III) so I would roll to confirm the crit. I roll a 18. I add all my other bonuses. Would I include +12 to that number because of ES III?

If the attack is successful, I would get +14 to my damage. Does this damage apply before the damage roll or after and is it included in the crit damage (i.e. if I crit, will it be +56 to damage because the rapiers multiplier is 4 with ES III)?

I roll a 6 for damage plus other bonuses. I multiply them by 4 because of the crit range of a rapier using ES III. Do I add 14 to the damage or 56 for the damage because of ES III?

So would my max damage would be:

6 rapier
5 magic bonus
10 str bonus
2 drow bonus
14 paladin level bonus from ES III
----
37 x 4 for 148 + 78 from holy/good burst/good blast

or would it be:

6 rapier
5 magic bonus
10 str bonus
2 drow bonus
----
23 x 4 for 92 + 14 ES III + 78 from holy/good burst/good blast

[Yaga_Nub]

Anyone know?

Come on Borro, I know you must.

Or surely A_D does.

[Turial]

Given some of the numbers being tossed around I would say the first.

[Bracosius]

Probably the one that ends up with the higher damage.

I don't know the formula, but with my greensteel khopesh, if I crit the first damage number is 420-430. And a guildie of mine with a greensteel maul has crit for over 500 with ES. I would think it would need the first formula to make that possible.

[Karters]

it has to b the 1st one, using the khopesh from holy sword, i crit for almost 600

[Borror0]

Where does that +14 damage from ES III comes from?

If you mean the damage univeral to all Smite Evil (regardless of all enhancements), formula is 10 + 3 x (level - 1). So, your level 14 paladin would deal 49 damage rather than a mere 14 damage. And yes, it is multiplied. Whcich is why you can really reach big critical hits. Just use Smite Evil with a Heavy Pick, you'll see that it'd be not possible to reach that high otherwise.

Would this also apply to the critical confirmation roll?

No idea, but logic would suggest yes. Fairly easy to test though.

[SteeleTrueheart]

Exalted Smite and Smite use the same basic calculations. The only benefit of Exalted smite is that it improves your crit range and multiplier. +1 range and +2 multiplier for ES3
Paladin smite calculations:
Attack bonus = 2xCha bonus (and yes this is also applied to crit confirmation rolls) = +12 to attack
Damage bonus = 3 x (paladin level - 1) = 3 x (14-1) = 39

I'm using a 14th level drow Paladin with a 30 Str and a 22 Cha using dual GS rapiers (+++) doing max damage as the example.

Means with Exalted smite III and greensteel rapier (3x positive) your max damage would be:
GS rapier stats 1d8+5, 18-20/x2
I assume you have improved crit to make this 1d8+5, 15-20/2
With ESIII you will have on smites, 14-20/4

8 (gs rapier base damage 1d8)
5 (+5 enhancement)
10 (str)
2 (drow bonus)
39 (smite)
_______
64 damage non crit
256 damage on crit

feel free to add in your bloodstone - power attack etc.
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One thing I have not been able to confirm yet is whether the improved crit multiplier affects burst damage from you weapons to increase the burst multiplier.

[Aranticus]

Exalted Smite and Smite use the same basic calculations. The only benefit of Exalted smite is that it improves your crit range and multiplier. +1 range and +2 multiplier for ES3
Paladin smite calculations:
Attack bonus = 2xCha bonus (and yes this is also applied to crit confirmation rolls) = +12 to attack
Damage bonus = 3 x (paladin level - 1) = 3 x (14-1) = 39



Means with Exalted smite III and greensteel rapier (3x positive) your max damage would be:
GS rapier stats 1d8+5, 18-20/x2
I assume you have improved crit to make this 1d8+5, 15-20/2
With ESIII you will have on smites, 14-20/4

8 (gs rapier base damage 1d8)
5 (+5 enhancement)
10 (str)
2 (drow bonus)
39 (smite)
_______
64 damage non crit
256 damage on crit

feel free to add in your bloodstone - power attack etc.
___________________________________

One thing I have not been able to confirm yet is whether the improved crit multiplier affects burst damage from you weapons to increase the burst multiplier.

i dunno..... most are one shot when you do like 500 on the main weapon damage

[Borror0]

Damage bonus = 3 x (paladin level - 1) = 3 x (14-1) = 39

You forgot +10.

[Turial]

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One thing I have not been able to confirm yet is whether the improved crit multiplier affects burst damage from you weapons to increase the burst multiplier.

Effects that increase your critical multiplier are supposed to affect the burst damage from bursting effects. It currently works for deepwood sniper and should work for ES.

[Yaga_Nub]

Where does that +14 damage from ES III comes from?

From the description:

Using this attack, you call on the paladin's ability to strike down evil creatures, gaining twice your Charisma bonus to your attack roll, a damage bonus based on your paladin level, and +1 to your weapon's critical threat range and +2 to your weapon's critical damage multiplier. This enhancement also decreases your cooldown between smites to 3 seconds.

The way I read that is that you get your paladin level added to the damage dealt.

[Yaga_Nub]

With ESIII you will have on smites, 14-20/4

With ES III you will have crits on 13-20. The +1 to crit range is applied before the IC:Pierce is calculated.

EDIT: IF it works like Deepwoods Sniper

[Borror0]

a damage bonus based on your paladin level

Well, it's 3 x (paladin level - 1) +10. Try it.

[Yaga_Nub]

Well, it's 3 x (paladin level - 1) +10. Try it.

So would my max damage in this example would be:

6 rapier
5 magic bonus
10 str bonus
2 drow bonus
49 paladin level bonus from ES III
----
72 x 4 for 288 + 78 from holy/good burst/good blast

Is that correct Bor?

[Borror0]

Is that correct Bor?

Yes.

[SteeleTrueheart]

So would my max damage in this example would be:

6 rapier
5 magic bonus
10 str bonus
2 drow bonus
49 paladin level bonus from ES III
----
72 x 4 for 288 + 78 from holy/good burst/good blast

Is that correct Bor?

oops yes I forgot the +10 to the smite
you are forgetting the +2 from the higher base damage of a green steel rapier.
I can not confirm that the +1 crit range is added before Improved Critical (I had a feeling it does not from my initial testing). I shall do some more testing for this and for the burst damage.

So on a natural 20 with confirmed crit your damage would be
296 base slashing damage
+2d6 (Holy)
+6d6 (good from good burst)
+9d6 (Good from good blast)
= 17-102 damage (average = 59.5)

Max possible on natural 20 - 398 (average 355.5) (~5% of the time)
Max possible on critical (13 or 14-19/x4) - 344 (average 324) (~30-35% of the time)
Max possible on non critical (roll a 2-12 or 13) - 86 (average 81) (55% of the time)

This all assumes the following:
1. You land your smite on a mob that did not twitch out of the way.
2. Exalted Smite critical multiplier affects weapon burst multipliers
3. You roll a 20 on the very few smites you have.
4. Exalted Smite critical range affects before Improved critical.
5. Mob is evil aligned.

[Borror0]

I shall do some more testing for this and for the burst damage.

Let me know about it.

[SteeleTrueheart]

I will. Or if I feel particularlay masochistic on the weekend I may even put my finding in the Wiki myself.

[Borror0]

I will. Or if I feel particularlay masochistic on the weekend I may even put my finding in the Wiki myself.

Hehe, it'll take 1 minute of your time. Adding information isn't hard. It's creating sections that is painful.

[captain1z]

I need to make sure that I have the formula for ES III correct.

I'm using a 14th level drow Paladin with a 30 Str and a 22 Cha using dual GS rapiers (+++) doing max damage as the example.

On the attack roll, I would get a +12 to the attack roll correct?

For example, I roll a 13 (which we say will be a hit, I get all my other bonuses plus another +12 from ES III.

Would this also apply to the critical confirmation roll? ------- yes Ive seen it in my log

absolutely.