CLERICS: Why no improved heighten?

[DoctorWhofan]

It would only get you about.. what.. 100-200 more sp at that point depending on your Cha. Would it really be worth it? I would think blowing a feat on mental toughness (or improved) would be better spent. With level 20 coming in sight soon (soon being relative) I don't know if I would myself. I mean back when the cap was 10 or so, sure. I woudln't have given it a second thought, but now... I'm just not so certain any more.

have the all the mental toughness

[Aspenor]

Some people may hate me for this, but remember I have both a cleric (albeit low level) and sorcerer.

I feel that the improved metamagic feats should be available to wizards, exclusively. As masters of metamagic, it should be their sole realm of expertise.

I feel that sorcerers should get some other kind of enhancement instead, such as a universal spell damage increasing enhancement similar to the potency effect.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Some people may hate me for this, but remember I have both a cleric (albeit low level) and sorcerer.

I feel that the improved metamagic feats should be available to wizards, exclusively. As masters of metamagic, it should be their sole realm of expertise.

I feel that sorcerers should get some other kind of enhancement instead, such as a universal spell damage increasing enhancement similar to the potency effect.

I don't see why it would be limited to Wizards... Sorc can do everything a wiz can do, just with more focus. So If a Sorc wanted to be a completed CC build, why not? Where Sorc get their limit is the reduced spell selection (ya, not a big deal given how poor DDO spell selectin is) and the reduced feats. I don't think we need to relegate sorc to just physical damage spells.

[Aspenor]

I don't see why it would be limited to Wizards... Sorc can do everything a wiz can do, just with more focus. So If a Sorc wanted to be a completed CC build, why not? Where Sorc get their limit is the reduced spell selection (ya, not a big deal given how poor DDO spell selectin is) and the reduced feats. I don't think we need to relegate sorc to just physical damage spells.

Nothing stops the sorc from being a "completed" cc build by not having improved meta's.

However, a sorcerer is not MEANT to be as adept as a wizard at using metamagics. For example, sorcerers can't spontaneously cast metamagic'd spells (IIRC, correct me if I am wrong), whereas they can spontaneously cast spells otherwise.

Additionally, the universal damage bonus was just an idea for a replacement enhancement. If somebody can come up with something better, which fits within the lore of DnD, I am more than happy to go along with it.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

However, a sorcerer is not MEANT to be as adept as a wizard at using metamagics. For example, sorcerers can't spontaneously cast metamagic'd spells (IIRC, correct me if I am wrong), whereas they can spontaneously cast spells otherwise.

Well that is true...but then Wizards aren't supposed to be able to spontaneously cast at all

[Aspenor]

Well that is true...but then Wizards aren't supposed to be able to spontaneously cast at all

I never said they should be able to However, since we are on the spell point variation, they have to in a way.

[Josh]

I never said they should be able to However, since we are on the spell point variation, they have to in a way.

And, it should take the a full round action to cast a spell using a metamagic feat, not this rapid casting garbage that sorcerers have for some unknown reason.

[Borror0]

Jrp, Borror0 and IMpaqt might wanna sit down for this. Might put you in shock.

Allright, ran around in the Vale with the hubby's caster today. With banishment, destruction, and cometfall, plus loading enhancement line potency and a greater potency VI mace, I was systematically outkilling my hubby...well until I ran out of spell points. No metamagic. 9 names.

Good girl. There is hope.

[Scipio]

It would only get you about.. what.. 100-200 more sp at that point depending on your Cha. Would it really be worth it? I would think blowing a feat on mental toughness (or improved) would be better spent. With level 20 coming in sight soon (soon being relative) I don't know if I would myself. I mean back when the cap was 10 or so, sure. I woudln't have given it a second thought, but now... I'm just not so certain any more.

This also gives a Cleric all wiz/sorc wands without umd. How many clerics can have a good enough umd to use a stoneskin wand?

[Gaermain]

Originally Posted by DoctorWhofan
Jrp, Borror0 and IMpaqt might wanna sit down for this. Might put you in shock.

Allright, ran around in the Vale with the hubby's caster today. With banishment, destruction, and cometfall, plus loading enhancement line potency and a greater potency VI mace, I was systematically outkilling my hubby...well until I ran out of spell points. No metamagic. 9 names.

Good girl. There is hope.

HAHAHA, awesome!

Since we have 20 hotbars now (and I don't use them), I have a hotbar I leave "hidden" under my #1 bar. It has: slay living, destruction, dismissal, banishment, cometfall, blade barrier, symbol of persuasion, greater command, and a stack of haste pots on it.

That's my vale loot run bar. Don't forget the haste pots - sometimes the arcane will deny you haste in a cheap attempt to win....don't let them

[DoctorWhofan]

Originally Posted by DoctorWhofan
Jrp, Borror0 and IMpaqt might wanna sit down for this. Might put you in shock.

Allright, ran around in the Vale with the hubby's caster today. With banishment, destruction, and cometfall, plus loading enhancement line potency and a greater potency VI mace, I was systematically outkilling my hubby...well until I ran out of spell points. No metamagic. 9 names.



HAHAHA, awesome!

Since we have 20 hotbars now (and I don't use them), I have a hotbar I leave "hidden" under my #1 bar. It has: slay living, destruction, dismissal, banishment, cometfall, blade barrier, symbol of persuasion, greater command, and a stack of haste pots on it.

That's my vale loot run bar. Don't forget the haste pots - sometimes the arcane will deny you haste in a cheap attempt to win....don't let them

The hubby had haste mem'd, as all our caster types. May not be our first choice as Sorcerer for a spell, but it makes it to the bar eventually.

My Hot bar IS my combat spells. Yeah, I'm a healbot.