I think I just fixed Paladins

[DaveyCrockett]

DISCLAIMER: I know Paladins need love, and this is not intended to be a serious attempt to fix the Paladin (only the Devs and 2 more updates can do that). What this is however, is a concept build to achieve a high AC swinging a 2-hander, while maintaining a good supply of hit points, and ample saving throws. The gear listed for the character shows maximum potential, but I believe this guy would be a blast to play even if only 40% of the gear list seems obtainable to you.


Race: Dwarf
Alignment: Lawful Good
Classes: 2 Monk/ 14 Paladin

Stats:
STR - 18 +4 levels +2 Tome +6 Item - 30
DEX - 14 +2 Tome +6 Item - 22
CON - 10 +2 Racial Enhancement +2 Tome +6 Item - 20
INT - 08
WIS - 15 +1 Class Enhancement +2 Tome +6 Item - 24
CHA - 08 +3 Class Enhancement +1 Tome +6 Item - 18

Feats:
1 Two-Handed Fighting Monk Feat: Dodge
2 Monk Feat: Power Attack
3 Toughness
6 Cleave
9 Improved Critical: Slashing
12 Improved Two-Handed Fighting
15 Greater Two-Handed Fighting

Hit Points:
020 Heroic Durability
016 Monk Levels x 2
140 Paladin Levels x 14
018 Toughness Feat
050 Dwarven Toughness IV Enhancement
050 Paladin Toughness IV Enhancement
080 CON Bonus (+5 Modifier)
005 Way of the Patient Turtle
045 Shroud Item
010 AoA Favor
030 Greater False Life
---
464 Hit Points

Armor Class:
10 Base
06 DEX Bonus
07 WIS Bonus
01 Dodge (Feat)
04 Paladin Aura
08 Armored Bracers
04 Dodge Bonus (Icy Raiment)
03 Dodge Bonus (Chattering Ring)
05 Deflection Bonus (+5 Protection Item)
02 Defensive Fighting Stance (When AC>DPS)
03 Natural (Barkskin Pot)
01 Haste
--
54

You can see a higher AC, but that's what you'll be most of the time w/o a Shroud Insight Weapon.
'Beholder AC' is 50.

Saving Throws (+2 Luck, +5 Resist, +4 GH):
Fortitude - 33
Reflex - 29
Will - 30


Item Suggestion:
Helmet : Greensteel Helm (45 HP, Heavy Fort, +5 Protection, +6 CON Skills, Stoneskin 2/Day)
Trinket: Head of Good Fortune (or Voice iof the Master)
Necklace: +6 CON
Cloak: +6 CHA
Goggles: Mentau Goggles
Belt: Belt of Brute Strength (+6 STR/GFL)
Bracers: +8 Armor Bracers
Gloves: +6 DEX
Boots: +5 Resistance
Ring: Chattering RIng
Ring: +6 WIS
Armor: Icy Raiment

Conclusion: 450+ Hit Points, Evasion, Good Saves, Good AC, Good Damage.

Discuss.

[Inspire]

Explain To Me How Your Going To Fit All 5 Of Those +6 Stat Items/Chattering Ring/Seal Of Earth/+5 Protection/Minos Legens/+8 Armor Bracers/Shroud +45Hp Items On.

Edit: Oh, Greater False Life, +5 Resistance Item And Head Of Good Fortune I See You Have Listed Too.

[DaveyCrockett]

Explain To Me How Your Going To Fit All Those +6 Stat Items/Chattering Ring/Seal Of Earth/+5 Protection/Minos Legens/+8 Armor Bracers/Shroud +45Hp Items On.

Can I sleep first? It's 3:25am here!

[DaveyCrockett]

Edit - Added to OP

[Inspire]

Helmet : +6 WIS
Trinket: Reaver Head
Necklace: +6 CON
Cloak: +5 Protection
Goggles: Shroud Hit Point Item
Belt: +6 STR/GFL
Gloves: +6 Dex
Boots: +5 Resistance
Ring: Chattering RIng
Ring +6 CHA

So, lose the minos legion and drink a barkskin potion. 18 hit points doesn't kill the build.

So No 100% Fortification?

[DaveyCrockett]

So No 100% Fortification?

+45 Hit Points
+6 Constitution Skills
Protection +5
Heavy Fortification
Stoneskin 2x/day


That's my helm now, happy?

[SteeleTrueheart]

1. I dont think you can get +6 STR and GFL together on an item yet.

2. You are a dwarf

3. You splashed 2 levels of Monk

4. You used 4 +2 tomes and a +1 tome.

5. You have no fortification (that will kill you) (Edit seen the revisions and with positive/neg goggles that will give you a +6 wis item in the goggle slot)

6. Two toughness feats is overboard.

7. This did not in any way shape or form fix paladins.

[DaveyCrockett]

1. I dont think you can get +6 STR and GFL together on an item yet.

2. You are a dwarf

3. You splashed 2 levels of Monk

4. You used 4 +2 tomes and a +1 tome.

5. You have no fortification (that will kill you) (Edit seen the revisions and with positive/neg goggles that will give you a +6 wis item in the goggle slot)

6. Two toughness feats is overboard.

7. This did not in any way shape or form fix paladins.

1. I have it on 5 characters.
2. Dwarves kick ass
3. A little monk never hurt anyone.
4. Tomes drop like candy.
5. I have fortification. The revised posts indicates the items suggested.
6. So drop 1 toughness feat. Still nice HP total.
7. As mentioned above, that was a joke. I know **** well that Paladins still need attention.

[Riorik]

1. I dont think you can get +6 STR and GFL together on an item yet.

Except for the named raid loot item "Belt of Brute Strength" from Titan that has been in the game for close to a year and a half.

[Yori_Firebeard]

Explain To Me How Your Going To Fit All 5 Of Those +6 Stat Items/Chattering Ring/Seal Of Earth/+5 Protection/Minos Legens/+8 Armor Bracers/Shroud +45Hp Items On.

Edit: Oh, Greater False Life, +5 Resistance Item And Head Of Good Fortune I See You Have Listed Too.

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You will need items that do more than one thing such as Titan belt, Greensteel cloak with heavy fort, protection +5, and 45 hp
and that will get you pretty darn close.

[DaveyCrockett]

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You will need items that do more than one thing such as Titan belt, Greensteel cloak with heavy fort, protection +5, and 45 hp
and that will get you pretty darn close.

The item list is now in the build. I hadn't thought of posting it originally, but when he posted that I had to make sure it could be done.

[Josh]

Yawn. So if you have access to uber gear and tank stats you can make a super-duper character?

[ariel7]

Race: Dwarf

CHA - 08 +3 Class Enhancement +1 Tome +6 Item - 20

8+3=11 +1 = 12 +6 18

[Inspire]

DISCLAIMER: The fix Paladin comment was a joke. I am aware that Paladins need love. Let's move on and discuss the viability of this build please.

Discuss.

Edit - To appease Inspire.
Edit 2 - He wouldn't stop nit-picking the items.
Edit 3 - Ariel7 pointed out a 3am miscalculation
Edit 4 - To point out humor for those that can't detect it

Chill Dude You Said Discuss, Poor Choice Of Words On Your Part Perhaps?

Should Have Put: Praise

/Shrug

[Twerpp]

I like the build, its one of the new and different ones I was hoping to see when monks came out.

[Geonis]

.....as soon as you equip that Greesteel Great Axe, you lose the Wisdom to AC. So, add 4 for axe, lose 7 for Wis?

Taking Dwarf (the racial equivalent of an Easy button), stacking 4 +2 tomes and a +1, 5 raid loot items and 2 crafted items, should be the be-all-end-all of characters.

You could go Halfling shuriken thrower, with 5 tomes and all the raid loot, and it would be uber.

[Geonis]

I like the build, its one of the new and different ones I was hoping to see when monks came out.

New and different?

It's an Evasion Pally.

It simply gives up UMD for another Toughness and +1 Wis.

Different? Maybe.

New? Not really.

[Bunker]

DISCLAIMER: The fix Paladin comment was a joke. I am aware that Paladins need love. Let's move on and discuss the viability of this build please.


Race: Dwarf
Alignment: Lawful Good
Classes: 2 Monk/ 14 Paladin

Stats:
STR - 18 +4 levels +2 Tome +6 Item - 30
DEX - 14 +2 Tome +6 Item - 22
CON - 10 +2 Racial Enhancement +2 Tome +6 Item - 20
INT - 08
WIS - 15 +1 Class Enhancement +2 Tome +6 Item - 24
CHA - 08 +3 Class Enhancement +1 Tome +6 Item - 18

Feats:
1 Two-Handed Fighting Monk Feat: Dodge
2 Monk Feat: Power Attack
3 Toughness
6 Toughness
9 Improved Critical: Slashing
12 Improved Two-Handed Fighting
15 Greater Two-Handed Fighting

Hit Points:
020 Heroic Durability
016 Monk Levels x 2
140 Paladin Levels x 14
036 Toughness Feat x 2
050 Dwarven Toughness IV Enhancement
050 Paladin Toughness IV Enhancement
080 CON Bonus (+5 Modifier)
005 Way of the Patient Turtle
018 Minos Legion
045 Shroud Item
010 AoA Favor
030 Greater False Life
---
482 Hit Points

Armor Class:
10 Base
06 DEX Bonus
07 WIS Bonus
01 Dodge (Feat)
04 Paladin Aura
08 Armored Bracers
04 Dodge Bonus (Icy Raiment)
03 Dodge Bonus (Chattering Ring)
05 Deflection Bonus (+5 Protection Item)
02 Defensive Fighting Stance (When AC>DPS)
03 Natural (Barkskin Pot)
01 Haste
--
54
04 Shroud Greataxe
--
58
02 Recitation
04 Bard Song
01 Full Paladin Aura
02 Ranger Barkskin
--
67


Item Suggestion:
Helmet : Shroud Helm (45 HP, Heavy Fort, +5 Protection, +6 CON Skills, Stoneskin 2/Day)
Trinket: Reaver Head (Bloodstone when DPS>Saves)
Necklace: +6 CON
Cloak: +6 CHA
Goggles: Mentau Goggles/Tharne's Goggles
Belt: +6 STR/GFL (Titan Belt)
Bracers: +8 Armor Bracers
Gloves: +6 DEX
Boots: +5 Resistance
Ring: Chattering RIng
Ring: +6 WIS
Armor: Icy Raiment

Saving Throws (+2 Luck, +5 Resist, +4 GH):
Fortitude - 33
Reflex - 29
Will - 30

Almost 500 Hit Points, Evasion, Good Saves, Good AC, Good Damage.

Discuss.

Edit - To appease Inspire.
Edit 2 - He wouldn't stop nit-picking the items.
Edit 3 - Ariel7 pointed out a 3am miscalculation
Edit 4 - To point out humor for those that can't detect it

I noticed that you have greensteel Greataxe for AC. If you are wielding anything other then kama, Qstaff or handwraps for melee weapons, do you still get the Monk AC bonus thru Wis? Dont' you become uncentered?

[Cashiry]

I noticed that you have greensteel Greataxe for AC. If you are wielding anything other then kama, Qstaff or handwraps for melee weapons, do you still get the Monk AC bonus thru Wis? Dont' you become uncentered?

I do believe that is correct.. have to use monk weapons, or you lose all monk abilities while uncentered...

[Jondallar]

Solid build Davey, here is my 2 cents...

1) I would dump one toughness and add something like cleave. With 450+ hp 18 extra hp < extra damage from cleave or another combat feat/extend spell ect

2) Eventually the dev's will fix the remining balanced while using non monk weapons (like they did evasion)