I think I just fixed Paladins

[DaveyCrockett]

DISCLAIMER: I know Paladins need love, and this is not intended to be a serious attempt to fix the Paladin (only the Devs and 2 more updates can do that). What this is however, is a concept build to achieve a high AC swinging a 2-hander, while maintaining a good supply of hit points, and ample saving throws. The gear listed for the character shows maximum potential, but I believe this guy would be a blast to play even if only 40% of the gear list seems obtainable to you.


Race: Dwarf
Alignment: Lawful Good
Classes: 2 Monk/ 14 Paladin

Stats:
STR - 18 +4 levels +2 Tome +6 Item - 30
DEX - 14 +2 Tome +6 Item - 22
CON - 10 +2 Racial Enhancement +2 Tome +6 Item - 20
INT - 08
WIS - 15 +1 Class Enhancement +2 Tome +6 Item - 24
CHA - 08 +3 Class Enhancement +1 Tome +6 Item - 18

Feats:
1 Two-Handed Fighting Monk Feat: Dodge
2 Monk Feat: Power Attack
3 Toughness
6 Cleave
9 Improved Critical: Slashing
12 Improved Two-Handed Fighting
15 Greater Two-Handed Fighting

Hit Points:
020 Heroic Durability
016 Monk Levels x 2
140 Paladin Levels x 14
018 Toughness Feat
050 Dwarven Toughness IV Enhancement
050 Paladin Toughness IV Enhancement
080 CON Bonus (+5 Modifier)
005 Way of the Patient Turtle
045 Shroud Item
010 AoA Favor
030 Greater False Life
---
464 Hit Points

Armor Class:
10 Base
06 DEX Bonus
07 WIS Bonus
01 Dodge (Feat)
04 Paladin Aura
08 Armored Bracers
04 Dodge Bonus (Icy Raiment)
03 Dodge Bonus (Chattering Ring)
05 Deflection Bonus (+5 Protection Item)
02 Defensive Fighting Stance (When AC>DPS)
03 Natural (Barkskin Pot)
01 Haste
--
54

You can see a higher AC, but that's what you'll be most of the time w/o a Shroud Insight Weapon.
'Beholder AC' is 50.

Saving Throws (+2 Luck, +5 Resist, +4 GH):
Fortitude - 33
Reflex - 29
Will - 30


Item Suggestion:
Helmet : Greensteel Helm (45 HP, Heavy Fort, +5 Protection, +6 CON Skills, Stoneskin 2/Day)
Trinket: Head of Good Fortune (or Voice iof the Master)
Necklace: +6 CON
Cloak: +6 CHA
Goggles: Mentau Goggles
Belt: Belt of Brute Strength (+6 STR/GFL)
Bracers: +8 Armor Bracers
Gloves: +6 DEX
Boots: +5 Resistance
Ring: Chattering RIng
Ring: +6 WIS
Armor: Icy Raiment

Conclusion: 450+ Hit Points, Evasion, Good Saves, Good AC, Good Damage.

Discuss.

[Inspire]

Explain To Me How Your Going To Fit All 5 Of Those +6 Stat Items/Chattering Ring/Seal Of Earth/+5 Protection/Minos Legens/+8 Armor Bracers/Shroud +45Hp Items On.

Edit: Oh, Greater False Life, +5 Resistance Item And Head Of Good Fortune I See You Have Listed Too.

[DaveyCrockett]

Explain To Me How Your Going To Fit All Those +6 Stat Items/Chattering Ring/Seal Of Earth/+5 Protection/Minos Legens/+8 Armor Bracers/Shroud +45Hp Items On.

Can I sleep first? It's 3:25am here!

[DaveyCrockett]

Edit - Added to OP

[Inspire]

Helmet : +6 WIS
Trinket: Reaver Head
Necklace: +6 CON
Cloak: +5 Protection
Goggles: Shroud Hit Point Item
Belt: +6 STR/GFL
Gloves: +6 Dex
Boots: +5 Resistance
Ring: Chattering RIng
Ring +6 CHA

So, lose the minos legion and drink a barkskin potion. 18 hit points doesn't kill the build.

So No 100% Fortification?

[DaveyCrockett]

So No 100% Fortification?

+45 Hit Points
+6 Constitution Skills
Protection +5
Heavy Fortification
Stoneskin 2x/day


That's my helm now, happy?

[ariel7]

Race: Dwarf

CHA - 08 +3 Class Enhancement +1 Tome +6 Item - 20

8+3=11 +1 = 12 +6 18

[Inspire]

Head Of Good Fortune At Least Gives 75% Fortification, Bloodstone Your Getting Crit All The Time, Which Negates Your Hit Points Endgame When Shroud Devils And Orthons Can Crit Sneak Attack For 230+

So, In Order To "Fix" Paladins (From What I Gather)

1) Not Pure: You Need To Splash Monk
2) Gear: You Need To Farm; Chattering Ring/Belt Of The Brute/+8 Armor Bracers/Icy Raiment/Head Of Good Fortune/(At Least)27 Large Ingredients 18Med & Small, 2 Shards Of Power, 2 Shards Of Great Power, 4(At Least) Shards Of Supreme Power/Boots Of The Innocent(Which Are Semi Negated As They Can Be Mailed If Already Owned)
3) Need To Be Dwarf
4) Need To Use 2hF

Not My Idea Of Fixing Paladins, Because Alot Of Non Power Gamers Will Never Be Able To Attain These Items, Im A Power Gamer Myself And Ive Done 60+ Titans On My 2hF Barbarian And Havent Looted A Belt Of The Brute Yet, Same With My 2wF Barbarian With 20+ Completions. Only Person Who Has it Actually Is My Caster Who Got It On His 40th Completion.

[Inspire]

+45 Hit Points
+6 Constitution Skills
Protection +5
Heavy Fortification
Stoneskin 2x/day


That's my helm now, happy?

No Room For Your Wisdom Item Now; +6 Wisdom Dosent Come In Cloaks

[SteeleTrueheart]

1. I dont think you can get +6 STR and GFL together on an item yet.

2. You are a dwarf

3. You splashed 2 levels of Monk

4. You used 4 +2 tomes and a +1 tome.

5. You have no fortification (that will kill you) (Edit seen the revisions and with positive/neg goggles that will give you a +6 wis item in the goggle slot)

6. Two toughness feats is overboard.

7. This did not in any way shape or form fix paladins.

[DaveyCrockett]

No Room For Your Wisdom Item Now; +6 Wisdom Dosent Come In Cloaks

No, but CHA does, and CHA was on a ring, so now that's free for WIS.

I play the game, ya know. I can make a character.

As far as the 'fixed paladins' title, that was a tongue-in-cheek exclamation.

I just think that this would be an interesting build, certainly not the be-all/end-all build or anything.

[DaveyCrockett]

1. I dont think you can get +6 STR and GFL together on an item yet.

2. You are a dwarf

3. You splashed 2 levels of Monk

4. You used 4 +2 tomes and a +1 tome.

5. You have no fortification (that will kill you) (Edit seen the revisions and with positive/neg goggles that will give you a +6 wis item in the goggle slot)

6. Two toughness feats is overboard.

7. This did not in any way shape or form fix paladins.

1. I have it on 5 characters.
2. Dwarves kick ass
3. A little monk never hurt anyone.
4. Tomes drop like candy.
5. I have fortification. The revised posts indicates the items suggested.
6. So drop 1 toughness feat. Still nice HP total.
7. As mentioned above, that was a joke. I know **** well that Paladins still need attention.

[Inspire]

No, but CHA does, and CHA was on a ring, so now that's free for WIS.

I play the game, ya know. I can make a character.

As far as the 'fixed paladins' title, that was a tongue-in-cheek exclamation.

I just think that this would be an interesting build, certainly not the be-all/end-all build or anything.

Im Not Saying You Cannot Build A Character Im Just Going With What You Give Me,

On To The Build, It Looks Good(I Think You Were Looking For Praise)

But It Is In No Way A Build For An Average Gamer.

[Inspire]

Curious, What Are You Putting Your 1 Skill Point Into When Taking Paladin Levels?

[Inspire]

DISCLAIMER: The fix Paladin comment was a joke. I am aware that Paladins need love. Let's move on and discuss the viability of this build please.

Discuss.

Edit - To appease Inspire.
Edit 2 - He wouldn't stop nit-picking the items.
Edit 3 - Ariel7 pointed out a 3am miscalculation
Edit 4 - To point out humor for those that can't detect it

Chill Dude You Said Discuss, Poor Choice Of Words On Your Part Perhaps?

Should Have Put: Praise

/Shrug

[Twerpp]

I like the build, its one of the new and different ones I was hoping to see when monks came out.

[Geonis]

.....as soon as you equip that Greesteel Great Axe, you lose the Wisdom to AC. So, add 4 for axe, lose 7 for Wis?

Taking Dwarf (the racial equivalent of an Easy button), stacking 4 +2 tomes and a +1, 5 raid loot items and 2 crafted items, should be the be-all-end-all of characters.

You could go Halfling shuriken thrower, with 5 tomes and all the raid loot, and it would be uber.

[Geonis]

I like the build, its one of the new and different ones I was hoping to see when monks came out.

New and different?

It's an Evasion Pally.

It simply gives up UMD for another Toughness and +1 Wis.

Different? Maybe.

New? Not really.

[Bunker]

DISCLAIMER: The fix Paladin comment was a joke. I am aware that Paladins need love. Let's move on and discuss the viability of this build please.


Race: Dwarf
Alignment: Lawful Good
Classes: 2 Monk/ 14 Paladin

Stats:
STR - 18 +4 levels +2 Tome +6 Item - 30
DEX - 14 +2 Tome +6 Item - 22
CON - 10 +2 Racial Enhancement +2 Tome +6 Item - 20
INT - 08
WIS - 15 +1 Class Enhancement +2 Tome +6 Item - 24
CHA - 08 +3 Class Enhancement +1 Tome +6 Item - 18

Feats:
1 Two-Handed Fighting Monk Feat: Dodge
2 Monk Feat: Power Attack
3 Toughness
6 Toughness
9 Improved Critical: Slashing
12 Improved Two-Handed Fighting
15 Greater Two-Handed Fighting

Hit Points:
020 Heroic Durability
016 Monk Levels x 2
140 Paladin Levels x 14
036 Toughness Feat x 2
050 Dwarven Toughness IV Enhancement
050 Paladin Toughness IV Enhancement
080 CON Bonus (+5 Modifier)
005 Way of the Patient Turtle
018 Minos Legion
045 Shroud Item
010 AoA Favor
030 Greater False Life
---
482 Hit Points

Armor Class:
10 Base
06 DEX Bonus
07 WIS Bonus
01 Dodge (Feat)
04 Paladin Aura
08 Armored Bracers
04 Dodge Bonus (Icy Raiment)
03 Dodge Bonus (Chattering Ring)
05 Deflection Bonus (+5 Protection Item)
02 Defensive Fighting Stance (When AC>DPS)
03 Natural (Barkskin Pot)
01 Haste
--
54
04 Shroud Greataxe
--
58
02 Recitation
04 Bard Song
01 Full Paladin Aura
02 Ranger Barkskin
--
67


Item Suggestion:
Helmet : Shroud Helm (45 HP, Heavy Fort, +5 Protection, +6 CON Skills, Stoneskin 2/Day)
Trinket: Reaver Head (Bloodstone when DPS>Saves)
Necklace: +6 CON
Cloak: +6 CHA
Goggles: Mentau Goggles/Tharne's Goggles
Belt: +6 STR/GFL (Titan Belt)
Bracers: +8 Armor Bracers
Gloves: +6 DEX
Boots: +5 Resistance
Ring: Chattering RIng
Ring: +6 WIS
Armor: Icy Raiment

Saving Throws (+2 Luck, +5 Resist, +4 GH):
Fortitude - 33
Reflex - 29
Will - 30

Almost 500 Hit Points, Evasion, Good Saves, Good AC, Good Damage.

Discuss.

Edit - To appease Inspire.
Edit 2 - He wouldn't stop nit-picking the items.
Edit 3 - Ariel7 pointed out a 3am miscalculation
Edit 4 - To point out humor for those that can't detect it

I noticed that you have greensteel Greataxe for AC. If you are wielding anything other then kama, Qstaff or handwraps for melee weapons, do you still get the Monk AC bonus thru Wis? Dont' you become uncentered?

[Arianrhod]

4. Tomes drop like candy.

I'll grant that you seem confident you either already have or can get all the tomes you listed, but this statement is still misleading. If tomes really did "drop like candy" there would be enough of a glut of them that some people would post them on the AH for less than the current 6- and 7-digit prices. As things stand at the moment, no one who doesn't already have a capped character is going to be buying any +2 tomes, and even +1 tomes most people have to put some time into bargain-hunting if they want them before capping a character.