Ddo ~~~~~~~~> Samurai!

[BigAngel]

Can you image if D&D (DDO) created Samurai?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai

That would be ......(breath, theatrical pause)........Sweet!



-BigangelSon

[Borror0]

There is actually a Samurai class in D&D...

[Angelus_dead]

Can you image if D&D (DDO) created Samurai?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai

It would be a good idea for DDO to add Samurai as one of at least three Fighter Specialty enhancements.

PS. Hey devs, I can provide you an exact design for 3+ fighter specialties, including Samurai, if you want.

[Twerpp]

Half Orc Samurai ftw. Aww the poor samurai only has 6 cha and 6 int! hehe.

[Aranticus]

i'd prefer a kensai instead of a samurai

[Glenalth]

Can you image if D&D (DDO) created Samurai?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai

That would be ......(breath, theatrical pause)........Sweet!



-BigangelSon

DDO has one, it's called a Fighter.

[Alavatar]

Why can't people use an existing generic class (Fighter or Paladin) and just RP it as their favorite profession (samurai)?

[Aranticus]

Why can't people use an existing generic class (Fighter or Paladin) and just RP it as their favorite profession (samurai)?

a samurai has KI attacks. you can model a fighter like a samurai but it the special attacks that you cannot duplicate

[Alavatar]

a samurai has KI attacks. you can model a fighter like a samurai but it the special attacks that you cannot duplicate

That's not what I mean. I mean that people seem to think that class = professional title, so they cannot play a ninja, spy, or scout unless they have a level in a class with that in their names.

That is why in my local PnP game I have Monks defined as a Pugilist and appropriately modified so that it is less specific to the traditional Eastern concept and more broad so that it can encompass a large variety of personal titles (boxer, wrestler, muay thai fighter, kickboxer, etc).

But, that is just a personal opinion and I certainly would not want to mandate my opinion on to everyone else.

[Aranticus]

That's not what I mean. I mean that people seem to think that class = professional title, so they cannot play a ninja, spy, or scout unless they have a level in a class with that in their names.

That is why in my local PnP game I have Monks defined as a Pugilist and appropriately modified so that it is less specific to the traditional Eastern concept and more broad so that it can encompass a large variety of personal titles (boxer, wrestler, muay thai fighter, kickboxer, etc).

But, that is just a personal opinion and I certainly would not want to mandate my opinion on to everyone else.

yeah i know wat you mean, ie dex fighter = fencer, tactics fighter = swordsman, punching fighter = brawler. these are basically all the same, just different role playing

but a samurai =/= fighter due to the abilities, however, you can role play a samurai-wannabe

[Alavatar]

but a samurai =/= fighter due to the abilities

That depends on if you are playing with just the CORE rules, or with the extras (Complete Adventurers, Complete Warrior, etc).

Edit: Besides, I would personally view a Paladin as more befitting a Samurai concept then a Fighter.

[toughguyjoe]

Swashbuckler you nubs.

I mean that in the kindest way.

Swashbuckler is an amazing class. and if Swashbuckler was a regular class, not an AP line, and it got its own Duelist AP line.


Oh Boy.

[Mistinarperadnacles]

Its one of my most passionate dislikes.


No Shaolin temples, no fuedal Japan and a big fat hell no to Samurai.

Play a Fighter and spec for Imrpoved Trip or Stunning Blow etc. Definitely beats spending all that development time on a class that degrades the core setting's lore and doesn't offer anything over what already exists.

Same reason I don't like monks. No Kung Fu please. At least there could have been a concerted effort to make it more original to the setting like Teras Kasi is to SWG.

To me it's like having Uzis in there. Or an M1 Abrahms. Might as well.


Above is IMO and all that. Add any smilies you feel are appropriate.

[BigAngel]

That’s interesting, I think I get what your saying.
So your point is that a Character like a SAMUARI has no place in D&D as far as time line, rules or anything?

Is that the case? I don’t know enough about D&D rules to know. I just figured Monks why not Samuari!
I mean can you image how cool it would be to see a Samurai in full imperial armor, fighting a bunch of Kobolds! lol!
They would also use the KI system and have tons of Oriental weapons and armor possibilities.

Shoot you can even write them into the storyline, something like;
“Strange Dragons ships appear at the harbor of Stormreach!
Samuari Raiders from the far East seeking to return to their emperor with
Stormreach riches and the fairest of Stormreach maidens!” - I don’t know! lol


Anyway, this is just a light hearted post, just kicking around ideas here.
But yeah if its way off, never mind then! hahaha

-Bigangel

[Mistinarperadnacles]

Just outlining why I wouldnt like it. I know plenty of folks that would love it.

To me, I play a lot of role-play heavy games and basically prefer to have all the mechanics and rules (fairly) simple and flesh out and embelish the character through backstory, roleplaying and the motivations and goals for your character.

In my PnP campaigns - PC's can literally do anything they want to and it's my job as DM to facilitate that. Like I have often had wierd PC classes and races such as Minotaurs, so I can very readily run a character who takes the core elements of what makes a Samurai different.

Very basically, key elements as I see it are: Bushido - A samurai code rigidly applied to behaviour, honour and loyalty. Equipment - exceedingly fine swords and armour, highly advanced compared to contemporary alternatives from other cultures.

So... how about a Paladin? His personal code and adherence to his church tennets as well as his Lawful Good alignment could easily replicate a Bushido type lifestyle without it having to be Bushido in name. He gets spell abilities that could easily be roleplayed as being effects from mystical martial techniques such as Ki (Smite Evil for example) and he can also have the Samurai / Daimyo relationship through the clerics and high priests he might follow. He could also easily become liek a Ronin through some schism or war or maybe a purging of faith like Henry VIII's destruction of monastaries - allbeit played out through the Black Abbot instead of some English Monarch - doesn't that work better than transplanting Medieval England with specific rules to govern it?

Some might see that as nitpicky, but I hope I've shown how things need not be coded in black and white before they exist. IMO all the interesting concepts that make characters like Samurai or Ninjas exist already. I for one much rather work in aspects based on what attracts me to play that "class" It doesn't need an extra 300 feats, rules and enhancements specifically called "Samurai Katana Mastery" which in my eyes degrades from the fantasy world D&D inhabits.

Samurai are unique to Feudal Japan and should stay there. Same with Shaolin Monks, Ninjas, Vikings or anything else. Its perfectly possible with a little thought to take what makes that certain race or class interest you and make it work without having to introduce many real world crossovers to a fantasy world where they shouldn't exist.

Hope that clarifies my position a little better and maybe suggests some alternatives to how you might go about creating a "Samurai"

Once again, all very much IMO and I know that some people love the Fighters Handbook with its very specific rules for 20 different warrior classes and all power to you if thats waht you like.

[Uska]

while they are part of dnd and FR especially they are not part of Eberron so dont belong here.

[Uska]

That’s interesting, I think I get what your saying.
So your point is that a Character like a SAMUARI has no place in D&D as far as time line, rules or anything?

Is that the case? I don’t know enough about D&D rules to know. I just figured Monks why not Samuari!
I mean can you image how cool it would be to see a Samurai in full imperial armor, fighting a bunch of Kobolds! lol!
They would also use the KI system and have tons of Oriental weapons and armor possibilities.

Shoot you can even write them into the storyline, something like;
“Strange Dragons ships appear at the harbor of Stormreach!
Samuari Raiders from the far East seeking to return to their emperor with
Stormreach riches and the fairest of Stormreach maidens!” - I don’t know! lol


Anyway, this is just a light hearted post, just kicking around ideas here.
But yeah if its way off, never mind then! hahaha



-Bigangel

they are very much a part of dnd just not eberron and the last time I checked thats where we are.

[In_Like_Flynn]

Clearly the next class added to DDO should be Accountant. The ability to Total an opponent? Turn a number of opponents into Columns? Incredible Balance skill? C'mon people.

[BigAngel]

OK that was &#()@*# Hysterical!

Accountant! hahhaha

And Lawyers Next to litigate their findings, of course!

LOL!

-Bigangel
thanx for the laugh, wow , wasnt expecting that one..

[Aesop]

WotC's Samurai for 3.5 stunk and is not what I envision as a Samurai... there's is more like a ranger with no spells and worse Feat


Aesop