whats the best class for wf

[Hadrian]

I enjoy my WF barbarian, and I would make him again the same way if I had to start over.

A bit of advice, though: Don't make the mistake of keeping a body feat for too long. Adamantine body will give you some useful AC at the lower levels, but somewhere around levels 8-10 you'll have to either abandon AC or have a build focused toward barbarian AC to keep it at a useful level. Dwarves are actually at a large advantage here with their racial enhancements.

For a typical barbarian who is worried about DPS, drop that body feat as soon as your notice that AC is not providing a benefit. Do your best to find a docent of defiance as soon as you can. The DR on this item will greatly improve your ability to survive, and this is something that only warforged can wear.

[VonBek]

Artificer with a splash of fighter.

Oh!, You TEASE!

I've spent time with WF Cleric, Battle Cleric, Paly, Fighter Paly, and Fighter. The Fighter played best, for me. The tactics options keeps him challenging to play. (oddball claim to fame: he saved our squishy cleric in STK - with a starter healer kit! ) The Paly and combo builds were a bit too strained on stats to feel satisfying.

I find I like my WF escapism to include a hefty measure of Hack & Bash. I've tried a Shadow Mage and found it quite workable. MrCow's Solo WF Sorc should also give outstanding results.

[llevenbaxx]

Dont throw pallys out immediately either. You dont need a max cha for it to be useful, currently sitting at only 24 and pretty much only fail saves on 1s. They have a very good synergy with the pally class both enhancement and immunity-wise.

Agree that WF sorc is a great combo also, though only currently level10 on mine so still have a bit to see.

[Aesop]

As a note most of my Rings of Rage are on Argo... but I may have spares on other servers


toss me a character name and server I can mail things to and I'll see what I can do. Oddly I have 3-5 spare Rings of Rage on Argo

Aesop

[MTG]

I like my paly wf, the lord of blades is very nice buff (you can still get arcane and your lay on hands healing).

[Inspire]

But *Sniffles* I Luff My WF Cleric!

[WeaselKing]

whats the best class for wf? cause i got a wf barb but may remake so wondering if i do remake what class works best

Any.

oh then what class wouldnt work best at all for wf (all ready know race just need to know incase thats what class i want)

None.

Bards, Clerics, and Paladins seem to be the most unpopular for Warforged.

True, maybe, but since when is this a popularity contest? And come to think of it I have seen few if any WF fighters around Argo, not pure anyway.

Also rogues, rangers, or anyone high dex.

And monks, or anyone high wis.

False, but the -2 to wis and dex does prevent you from haveing the highest possible nuimbers in these stats.

as long as they dont sneak they are cause i think wf have negitave in sneak or something been a while since ive looked

Not with composite body, mithril and addy bodies have armor check penalties like fleshie armor does.

A warforged is pretty horrible as a dex ranger.

Only if played poorly, the weakest build can be overcome by the best player.

so actually a wf can be a good dex ranger?

Yup but your max dex will be 2 less than a halfling or elf. Just like your wis will be 2 less than most others and your cha 4 less than a Drow. This doesz not mean you aren't viable, many people love their WF sorcs despite having a "gimped" cha.

so wf make bad clerics and sorcerers right?

No they are fine the biggest drawback is that the lower cha limits spell DCs so I would recommend spells with no DC. Even then you will still be effective maybe just not as effective as a drow with all else the same. You will more likely have morte hp than that drow though and certainly more inherent immunities.

As long as you enjoy less accuracy, less damage, less AC, less healing, and fewer spellpoints, they're fine.

Or more con, more hp, poison/FTS/etc immunites. I am confused about the whole WF aren't good dex characters thing they don't have a dex penalty so should be as goos as humans or dwarves at the whole dex based thing. If you want to get the highest dex in game I don't resommend a WF otherwise, why not?

so a wf can either be a good cleric or a bad cleric depending on how u have it?

And how you play it.

Artificer with a splash of fighter.

Likely true, unfortunately artificers do not appear to be in the works, yet.

WF are best as Wizards. Their WIS and CHA penaltys dont matter here, and their other drawback, the bad divine healing is in fact turned to a bonus, as they can self-heal with their own repair spells.
While their CON-Bonus makes them less squishy, which is always good for a fragile class.

They also make good Barbarians, as their racial enhancements are really fitting for barbarians. The drawback is that barbarians need much healing and their healing penalty so annoys many clerics (at least before they get the Heal-Spell).

I like this assessment and it closely mirrors my own. My wiz has 302 hp and 28 con with quicken and reconstruct he is a powerhouse of death and destruction and survivability, the only thing stopping her usually id the gimp at the controls.

But *Sniffles* I Luff My WF Cleric!

Me too but I need to reroll him as a 32 pointer. My first alt, I rolled a great PnP character but I didn't know how to build a DDO character at the time.

[cyadra]

so wf make bad clerics and sorcerers right?

No WF make awesome Sorcs. I would say after playing all the different races, their ability to heal themselves almost instantly makes the WF the best Sorc class. If it were not for the -2 ch pent. then everyone would have one. What does that -2 pent. mean at the end, maybe 2 or 3 spells you cant cast between shrines over another race (4 or 5 for Drow)

The second thing that make WF awesome Sorcs. is your Con. Second most important thing to a caster is a high con. I always max that out on creation because I need all the hps. I can get, and that is where the Drow takes the hit. Many a quest I have survived that my Drow Sorc party member hasn't because of my high hit points and ability to heal myself over and over again.

Third, you save a TON of money as a WF Sorc. since you dont have to buy pots and wands to heal yourself.

Once you cast your first self heal as a Sorc, you will never go back.

[Naso24]

Warforged have a penalty to wisdom and charisma, which tends to make them worse as clerics and sorcerers.
They also have a penalty to divine healing, which makes them worse as divine spellcasters (primarily clerics).
They have a "bonus" to arcane repairing, which makes them better as wizards and sorcerers.

So the charisma penalty roughly cancels out the self-repair benefit, leaving them decent sorcerers overall. They're even better as wizards, except insofar as the wizard class is overall weaker than the sorcerer class.

If you want to make a sorc, I would highly recommend WF. The extra mana that sorcs get will provide a pool for self healing that will still leave you more mana than a WF wizard has base for casting.

The only real drawback I see is -1 dc to spells vs non-drow wizards, or -2 dc to spells vs. drow. To combat the will saves, take force of personality. At high end, you could get a +12 to saves from the CHA stat alone (34 CHR), making it quite difficult to fail (22 prior to buffs, equipment, or enhancements).

WF make great high AC, saves, and HP casters.

A WF 14 Wizard - 2 Monk (with the intelligence reflex save feat) could be a ton of fun, and quite survivable. End game at L20 18/2.

[Hvymetal]

Any.....

[GORAK]

Warforged pure cleric........
Talk about the ultimate battle cleric with self healing, nuke spells and built in immunities. If the caster works with you, you can save SP by healing all the fleshies and having the caster repair you. And guess what, you're the healer so who's gonna argue with you saying they don't want to waster resources healing the toaster! :-)

[nbhs275]

As long as you enjoy less accuracy, less damage, less AC, less healing, and fewer spellpoints, they're fine.

ok, lets get some things down, those 38 dex finesse rangers out there with 10 str, are not doing real damage, so im not sure how less dex is going to be " less damage"

second, str rangers are as accurate in melee as finesse, unless your gunna cry over +1, 36 str > 36 dex

Third, AC wise, WF rangers have about the same ac potential because of high armor class docents(abbot with alchemical = +7)

SP? who cares, unless your trying to be the raid healer, im not gunna cry if my ranger doesnt have over 200sp.

less healing? your using your sp to heal yourself? really you got space for a devotion item, devotion enhancments and a sp item? or are you bragging about your 20 point cure mods? pots are still going to be equally effective.

And warforge also get PA enhancments, letting them do much higher amounts of damage considering how high attack bonuses become at endgame.

angelus, dont think you got every fact down pact. Sure, an elf or halfling makes a better dex ranger, but finesse rangers are a waste of a raid spot bud.

[Uska]

Bards, Clerics, and Paladins seem to be the most unpopular for Warforged.

Bah wf are good at them all but are better if they are 32pt builds due to the stat penalites they have for those classes.

[Uska]

so wf make bad clerics and sorcerers right?

Not bad just have to work at it harder and wont be quite as good due to stat penalties but I love my WF sorcerer fast casting immune to seveal things and self healing, he is the last one standing many times.

[Uska]

and the less ac part isnt true cause of mith body and addy body feats when u first make

Dont waste your feat on mith or addy body wont get your ac up enough other penalites are enough as well for you not to take them.

[nbhs275]

oh, and just some fun things that i showed a new player to the game about being a good wf build with a good player(and some looting ability

I soloed rainbow, with a lvl 12 newbie in my guild tagging along(monk, just snuck and watched), who a. wanted to get a look at vale stuff, and b. see if WF rangers work...I wanted his shav stone

First thing was my blanket immunities:

Complete immunity to

disease
poison
crit
sneak attack
negative levels
paralysis
holds
blindness(DQ goggles)

Then, i have evasion, high TWF ac(low 50s unbuffed), high DPS(32-34 str, with WF PA), good hp (400+ raged) and good saves.

Basically i went through the entire place on about 20 pots, just because the build covers you in so many areas, and with the right equipment very few mobs are a challenge...infact killed the boss without taking a single hit just through evasion.

So angelus, dont make assumptions .

[Uska]

plus elves only make good ranegrs cause their con takes a -2 so they dont make greta front line combatants onlike wf who could work well any sorta

Wrong elves can be just fine as any class not just rangers and make good twf they will just have less hp.

[Uska]

i sorta dont care how wf is built because they are actually best as a brick wall (as in up front guarding every single one who cant take massive hits) to guard so any build would probably actualy work with wf

Actually a dwarf would be a better brick wall then a wf

[shadow543256]

Actually a dwarf would be a better brick wall then a wf

thatd be a short brickwall

[Return_To_Forever]

right now, sorc is like insanely popular, sorc being just an awesome class anyways, but being able to reconstruct at the snap of a finger seems really good. err, is really good, many of the best players I know have wf sorcs.

edit: also I'm glad to see WF getting love, back in the day it used to be WF couldn't get a group, now alot of people are being very creative with them and coming up with stuff that is really strong. As I'm only just coming back froma yr break, its nice to see this.