So is a transmuter really better than SOS against Big Red?

[Averroes]

have you used a lightning strike before? if you have you'll know that the lightning strike does on average 530 - 670. most of the numbers you get however will lie between 600-630. plus we are talking about harry here with 750000 hp

Harry and Sulo are special cases with tons of hitpoints. The rest of this discussion applies equally to any target with DR, so things like wasted damage should be considered as well.

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

Harry and Sulo are special cases with tons of hitpoints. The rest of this discussion applies equally to any target with DR, so things like wasted damage should be considered as well.

Actually, the discussion is more regarding Arraetrikos and Suulomades... "So is a transmuter really better than SoS against Big Red?"

The fact is, it shouldn't matter which weapon you use against trash mobs with DR (ie, skellies, renders, etc.)--almost anything should be able to kill them reasonably quickly, and no weapon is going to make that huge of a difference on them. It is only on long drawn out fights like Arraetrikos and Suulomades that a 5-15 difference in damage per swing is going to matter.

So really, 10 damage per swing is probably being generous to the transmuter, as the 600 avg. damage works out to about 12 over the course of several hundred swings in a fight against one of the devil generals.

However, it is absolutely correct that 2-hander lightning weapons fall a good bit farther behind a transmuter because of the glancing blows.

[Aranticus]

Harry and Sulo are special cases with tons of hitpoints. The rest of this discussion applies equally to any target with DR, so things like wasted damage should be considered as well.

i dunno whats the title for then................

[Angelus_dead]

That's incorrect. And really easy to test. Otherwise my SOS would crit Harry for 180, not 150.

No, you're the one who is incorrect. But it's true that this is easy to test.

[Aranticus]

That's incorrect. And really easy to test. Otherwise my SOS would crit Harry for 180, not 150.

assuming 50 str barb with maxed out PA enhancement

SoS = 12
str mod = +30
bard song = +6
prayer = +1
PA = 16
total = 65
crit = 195

DR = 15

actual damage = 180

assuming 40 str barb with maxed out PA enhancement

SoS = 12
str mod = +22
bard song = +6
prayer = +1
PA = 16
total = 57
crit = 171

DR = 15

actual damage = 156

i know most barb do not have a consistent 50 str....

[spyderwolf]

assuming 50 str barb with maxed out PA enhancement

SoS = 12
str mod = +30
bard song = +6
prayer = +1
PA = 16
total = 65
crit = 195

DR = 15

actual damage = 180

assuming 40 str barb with maxed out PA enhancement

SoS = 12
str mod = +22
bard song = +6
prayer = +1
PA = 16
total = 57
crit = 171

DR = 15

actual damage = 156

i know most barb do not have a consistent 50 str....

you forgot seeker +6 ..cause what dps'er doesnt have a bloodstone? so 156+18=174 and a 40 is a low end barb so your really looking at 44-46 str, making your upper end crits exceed 180+

[Aranticus]

you forgot seeker +6 ..cause what dps'er doesnt have a bloodstone? so 156+18=174 and a 40 is a low end barb so your really looking at 44-46 str, making your upper end crits exceed 180+

nope i did not forget. i did not put it in as there are people who are unable to get a bloodstone. i also left out warchanting buffs as well as barb damage boost. these are not the norm. as for the strength, i factored in a 40 str as well as a 50 str for the lower and upper limits