Green Steel Kamas

[Wu_Jen]

Just trying to decide what I want to put on my kamas. I was leaning toward Smoke II and Radiance II but later when I get my cleansing item and get my goggles purified then i'll have another item slot open to put Smoke II on. I.e. Cape or something. Is tempered II any good, should I just go pure dmg on both kamas?

Thanks guys!

[Lithic]

just remember that Kama crit range SUCKS. 20 x2, or 19-20 x2 with improved crit.

That means things like burst and blast hit much less than say a rapier. Radience effect is on crit, so that may not be worthwhile.

[Wu_Jen]

Most of the effects are on a crit But what monk weapon is better than 20? Club? Dagger? Not much of a choice really.

[Lithic]

They are all crit on 20, x2 damage unfortunately.

This means that blast effects are rather weak compared to others. +4 AC comes to mind for a monk. Burst isnt bad (esp goodburst) since it does some damage on hit. Mineral 2 is nice since it doesnt have a crit effect, and smoke is a permablur effect (no crit necessary). Personally I will likely make a mineral 2 with holy/acid burst/+4AC.

[Angelus_dead]

Radience effect is on crit, so that may not be worthwhile.

Unless maybe you were a Domination monk planning to use Karmic Strike for auto-crits.

However, a separate issue is that monks have Unbalancing Strike for auto-sneaks, so part of the value of the Radiance blindness is reduced for them.

Overall I'd say monks probably want Mineral II, Lightning II, or Positive II on their kama. And they'd all probably have +4 AC as the final effect.

[Angelus_dead]

Is tempered II any good, should I just go pure dmg on both kamas?

Tempered is OK as a tier2 combo effect, because monks can use the +10 concentration. But it has these weaknesses:
1. Monks might already be getting +10 or more concentration from another item.

2. To get Tempered you must go Fire+Cold, which is 1d6+1d6, instead of the 2d6+1d6 you'd get from Holy+some element. So it means your kama does at least 1d6 less per hit against evil mobs, which are the most important mobs to fight. And if the mob also has some fire/cold resist/immunity (like many do) then the damage goes down even more.

3. Tempered blocks you from getting some other tier 2 combo effect, such as Haste 3x which is very helpful to any non-Wind Stance monks out there.

My overall suggestion is that a monk use his Green Steel Kama mostly for damage, except for +4 AC on the 3rd tier. Your Green Steel clothing item can be hitpoints and either +6 wisdom or +10 concentration.

[Ronin_the_toon]

actually a good defensce kama would be mineral 2 +1 exceptional wisdom (if youre lopsided by water stance) and +4 ac or, if your making 2 kamas then +3wis (if lopsided wis , if not then acid burst and just go +2 wis at tier 3) and +4 ac on the other. because basically any crit effect on kama gonna be kinda hard to rely on but, you could capitalize on monk ac/defence and bypass dr

[Borror0]

Overall I'd say monks probably want Mineral II, Lightning II, or Positive II on their kama.

Positive II?

You mean for the better damage overall?

[Angelus_dead]

Positive II?
You mean for the better damage overall?

For the combination of nice damage dice that nothing evil can resist, and 50% less large ingredients needed.

[Borror0]

For the combination of nice damage dice that nothing evil can resist, and 50% less large ingredients needed.

Thought so.

[roggane]

Overall I'd say monks probably want Mineral II, Lightning II, or Positive II on their kama. And they'd all probably have +4 AC as the final effect.

Have to say this is what i'll be doing with mine.

I swear I've seen this in my combat log and with the numbers, but didn't know if anyone else has? Twf kamas....if you time it right with swings (4th) the elemental strikes will hit with both weapons?

[Angelus_dead]

I swear I've seen this in my combat log and with the numbers, but didn't know if anyone else has? Twf kamas....if you time it right with swings (4th) the elemental strikes will hit with both weapons?

Yes, that's true. It's well known and was heavily discussed in the forum when monks first came out.

If you have GTWF and BAB 15-16 it will happen every time you push the attack. With lower BAB or less TWF you might need to time it properly to avoid the first (or last) swing in your attack animation, which has only one mainhand hit.

[roggane]

Yes, that's true. It's well known and was heavily discussed in the forum when monks first came out.

If you have GTWF and BAB 15-16 it will happen every time you push the attack. With lower BAB or less TWF you might need to time it properly to avoid the first (or last) swing in your attack animation, which has only one mainhand hit.

good. i'm not seeing things.

[Kargon]

Stunnaming blow/ trip/ sunder also alwamays worked like this with TWF, and are even possimable to catch two enemamies, one with each weapamon, if not have either targettamed and line them up just right.

[Gratch]

If I had the 48 large resources for the green steel kama, probably thinking:

mineral 2: holy + acid burst +4AC
-and-
lightning 2: holy + shocking burst +2 exceptional dex

(if you move the +4ac to the second kama, you could get +2 exceptional con or wis on the mineral2 kama)

though 48 large is pretty crazy...
If I remember right, especially on low-crit weapons, the tier 3 blast effect isn't that much DPS additive.

[adamkatt]

ill wait for green steel wraps.

[Desteria]

My haflign Ac build Dex/Wis monky will be making Dule Min2 Kamas as follows:
1-Holy + Acid burst + +4AC
2-Holy + +1 Excetional Wis + +2 Exceptional Wis

He also plans on 2 Items
Min2 HP item (amazign for monks 45 hp heavy fort +5 prot & +6 concentration!!!!!)
& A tier 2 Exitential item Since hey why not gain some randome small bonuses on your wisdome item