learn to listen or read!!!

[Aranticus]

yes, this a yet another rant

i started a hound run today. used voice chat until my wife came home, from which i used text. the planning was simple. i split the party into 2 groups, me and a cleric to go to center to get agro of xyzzy and the small dogs, the rest would roam the outer area killing renders and flayers. after the initial stones are covered, the group will then separate. 4 melees (2 ftr, 1 pally, 1 rog) will guard the N,S,E,W passage ways. 2 clerics in the center, 1 to heal the melees, another to heal the charmed dogs. 1 sorc in the center to fog the N,S,E,W passage ways. the rest (1 pally, 1 bard, 1 clr, 1 sorc, 1 rgr) will continue roaming the outer area for renders and flayers.

this was covered BEFORE we enter the raid. in addition, the players were asked several times if they understood and to raise questions if they are unclear about the instructions. a couple of minutes passed and since no one raised issues, we loaded into the raid. things went smooth at the beginning, the dogs were successfully charmed. melees took up their guard posts when i gave the call. then, while guarding south, i noticed the northern melee fighting the renders in south. i immediately typed in chat to ask him to move to his post. i sent out 2-3 text messages but he continued with the hunting party. so i got fustrated and shouted into the mic. the ranger immediately fill the northern post. however, renders moved through before he could fill. these were quickly dispatched but not long after the said ftr got mindblasted. this lowered the dps of the hunting party and the number of renders increased which ended in a wipe

so i asked everyone to recall and i booted the said ftr. this is the 1st time i kicked someone out of a party. then i recieved a tell from that ftr giving the reasons, 1. my mic is working poorly, 2. he was stunned, then added not to bother him anymore. that was the last straw and he enters my DNP list. most people know how i operate. i may be a nazi when it comes to the details, but i ensure that everyone is sure of their duties. if you cant read or listen, then please dun join my groups. if you think you are so uber that you can do things the way you like, then start you own party. this way you can call all the shots you want

[lasac]

I met me a barb in vision of destruction who did not follow instructions. always attacked main boss and didn't clear the devils. on top of that he was WF with little if any healers friend and he died faster than enyone ive ever seen. so i figured what the hell he just sucks really bad and i just wont run with him anymore but then we finally completed and guess which WF got the fullpalte and took it. (I'm all for getting you own loot and taking but only if its possible that you can put it on...) so anyways Madbull is now squelched to I think 11 party members of that vision group lol

[JoeyJoJoJr]

Aranticus, it wasn't me who caused you your problems but i've certainly been guilty of an f/u that caused a wipe in Hounds... so on behalf of that guy and everyone else who's helped bugger that one up... i'm sorry!!!!

[Aeneas]

Your strategy is every bit as much of a problem as your group's inability to follow directions - there is a better way to do this raid.

Having persistent rovers is a mistake, you don't need to spend your time killing mobs the entire quest, enjoy the short breaks.

Most of what you do works great, but keep those 3 rovers in the middle to run to the side they are needed when one melee guard gets overwhelmed and be sure to tell the guards at the n,s,e,w not to go too far out or they'll attract unwanted attention from passing mobs.

If you do run out of stones, then send the roving party back out and have them stick together in case a mindblast comes their way so the cleric or bard healing them can hit them with a heal scroll and revive them. Don't go looking for trouble though, leaving the mobs around the perimeter alone can save you grief and sp's, they all die when xy'zzy bites the dust anyway.

[Aranticus]

Your strategy is every bit as much of a problem as your group's inability to follow directions - there is a better way to do this raid.

Having persistent rovers is a mistake, you don't need to spend your time killing mobs the entire quest, enjoy the short breaks.

Most of what you do works great, but keep those 3 rovers in the middle to run to the side they are needed when one melee guard gets overwhelmed and be sure to tell the guards at the n,s,e,w not to go too far out or they'll attract unwanted attention from passing mobs.

If you do run out of stones, then send the roving party back out and have them stick together in case a mindblast comes their way so the cleric or bard healing them can hit them with a heal scroll and revive them. Don't go looking for trouble though, leaving the mobs around the perimeter alone can save you grief and sp's, they all die when xy'zzy bites the dust anyway.

this wasnt my strategy alone, it has been used by many in very successful run. different people may have different ways of doing it, just like in shroud. some like to pull fire to NE, others to SW but whatever the case, it is important for people to listen to the leader. your method works too but sometimes the dogs break before you get the second batch in. this can happen because 1. there are many mobs still alive, 2. you agro a large number of mobs into the centre and dogs get killed.

whichever the case, yours or mine, the key thing is for everyone to understand their role and go about doing their role. if they do not understand, then ASK or CLARIFY. even if you have the best strategy, if people do not listen and do things as they wish, then the chance of failure increases. think vision, think shroud. i've been in groups where the people are on the same wavelength, no communication what so ever, and the raids get done. that is if they are all on the same wavelength, everyone knows their specific roles. but if someone is not on the same path, then he or she has to attune to the group dynamics. simple as that yet some people do not understand

[Arianrhod]

Yeah, gotta say, in any group/quest where there's a chance of failure/wipe, the most important thing isn't which specific strategy being used, but that everyone is cooperating on the same strategy (not off doing their own thing).

[Furbitor]

so i asked everyone to recall and i booted the said ftr. this is the 1st time i kicked someone out of a party. then i recieved a tell from that ftr giving the reasons, 1. my mic is working poorly, 2. he was stunned, then added not to bother him anymore. that was the last straw and he enters my DNP list. most people know how i operate. i may be a nazi when it comes to the details, but i ensure that everyone is sure of their duties. if you cant read or listen, then please dun join my groups. if you think you are so uber that you can do things the way you like, then start you own party. this way you can call all the shots you want - quoted


I'll save you time and effort. Add me to your DNP (do not party) list. People that yell and scream and that dont have social graces to deal with difficult players I dont want to run with. I have enough stress as it is. I dont care about your orders or methods or reasons. Control freaks dont belong in a social game enviroment and I suggest you sit back from the computer and enjoy a nice cold one, letting aggravations disapate.

I can understand the fustration of a teammate who isnt doing what he/she should, or what he/she can. But then so what? If your whole stagegy revoles around one toon.... and the loss of one breaks the (camel's) back, then I suggest you come up with a better strategy. Those that came up with above formulae earned it. Thru dedication and preserverence, and MULTIPLE FAILURES, the party was transformed into a coherent party who wins the day. That formulae can only exist in a party that has that cohesion. And you didnt have it. Shouting and sending tells giving directions didnt cut it either. So you cast blame upon others.

I fail to understand just why so many players in DDO insist that everyone "knows" everything about each and every quest, and a simple direction will give them that experience beforehand. New content is (new). which means unknown. I dont care if you been inside. Nothing like joining a quest and trying it out for gaining huge (real) experience, win or lose! Just because you felt like you couldnt control one player, and that he was the fault that brought the raid down is laughable, just sad.

So like I request. Please add me to your DNP. Save me the headache. I wanna have a good times, Not listen to complaining for hours.....

Furb (all FURB-xxxxxxx) on khyber

[Aranticus]

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you just proved my post.... that was not the 1st time i grouped with that said player. it has happened more than once. sometimes able to rescue the situation, sometimes not. my strategy may not be the best. it could fail due to one player, will i try again and try get it right? yes i will and have been in such situations before (6 attempts until a completion) but this requires everyone to do their part, only then will the team come out victorious. note, i used the word TEAM, someone acting on his own is not a TEAM MEMBER

ps: oh you said it too.....

[Arkat]

Hey Furbitor, Aranticus really isn't that bad. He only yells at those who truly deserve it. In fact, I've only ever heard him upset once and I've grouped with him several times.

[Aranticus]

Hey Furbitor, Aranticus really isn't that bad. He only yells at those who truly deserve it. In fact, I've only ever heard him upset once and I've grouped with him several times.

was that with that stupid caster who made us redo part 2 THREE times?

[Strakeln]

I think Furb has a valid point. There's really no place for yelling at people here. Aranticus, if you find yourself yelling at people in your party, you should consider stepping away and grading some papers for a bit.

That said... Furb, the OP comes across as much less level-headed than Aranticus really is. Don't let his venting dissuade you from grouping with him, it's just that: venting. Aranticus is a fun person to group with and generally a voice of reason and maturity on these forums.