Ok... Let's do some math.
I have a dwarven strength ranger. He has a deathnip in the primary hand. This is a comparison of a minII khopeshes to dwarven axes. I'm going to use averages, so a 1d6 averages to 3.5 damage, etc...
Base damages (full warchanter bard buffs assumed):
Khopesh
1d10 + 10 str +5 weapon +5 PA + 13 bard = 38.5 / hit
(38.5 +6 seeker) * 3 = 133.5 / crit
38.5 * (16/20) + 133.5*(4/20) = 57.5/avg
Dwarven Axe
2d8 + 10 str + 5weapon +5 PA +13 bard + 2 dorf= 44/hit
(44 + 6 seeker) * 3 = 150/crit
44 * (18/20) + 150 * (2/18) = 56.3/avg
So, based on base damages it appears that the khopesh edges out by 1 pt/swing on average. I don't see how Khopesh is worth a feat using these numbers. I know that as seeker and base damage go up, the khopesh will edge out but...
Also, using some tier 2 numbers, the khopesh does pull ahead by another point per swing:
DWARVEN AXE - Acid, Good Burst
Acid + Energy Burst (Good, Evil) - 1d6 on hit + on Crit 4d6
1d6 + 1d6 = 3.5 normal
1d6+5d6 = 20.5 on crit
3.5 * (18/20) + 20.5 * (2/20) = 5.2 good/hit + 3.5 acid = 8.7 average
DWARVEN AXE - Holy, Acid Burst
Holy: 2d6 = 7/hit
Acid: 1d6+2d10 on crit: 1d6 + 2d10 = 14.5/crit
3.5 * (18/20) + 14.5 * (2/20) = 4.6 acid/hit + 7 holy/hit = 11.6 average
KHOPESH - Acid, Good Burst
Acid + Energy Burst (Good, Evil) - 1d6 on hit + on Crit 4d6
1d6 + 1d6 = 3.5 normal
1d6+5d6 = 20.5 on crit
3.5 * (16/20) + 20.5 * (4/20) = 6.9 good/hit + 3.5 acid = 10.4 average
KHOPESH - Holy, Acid Burst
Holy: 2d6 = 7/hit
Acid: 1d6+2d10 on crit: 1d6 + 2d10 = 14.5
3.5 * (16/20) + 14.5 * (4/20) = 5.7 acid/hit + 7 holy/hit = 12.7 average
Summary:
Assuming all racial enhancements are taken, Dwarven Axe is roughly +2 to hit / -2 to damage (per swing, after all multiplications) vs khopesh. Actual DPS depends on to-hit versus monster AC.
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06-20-2008, 09:13 PM #1Community Member
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Ye old greensteel Dwarven Axe vs Khopesh Argument
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06-22-2008, 12:08 AM #2The Hatchery
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They key factor that makes Axes superior to all other weapons for Dwarves is the Axe Accuracy Enhancments.
When each hit does as much damage as we do at endgame, each miss costs us dearly in DPS.
Spend the 6AP for +2 axe accuracy and either 2 or 6 AP for +1 or +2 damage (2 AP is good value, the extra 4 AP may not be worth it in your build depending upon other AP needs).I don't have a zerging problem.
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Average Damage Comparison
+5 Holy, Acid Burst Khopesh Mineral, 10 Str =>
Normal Hit = 5 + 7 Holy + 3.5 Acid + 5.5 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing = 22.5 Damage
Critical Hit = 15 + 7 Holy + 14.5 Acid + 16.5 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing = 55.5 Damage
+5 Holy, Acid Burst Khopesh Mineral, 10 Str, Power Attack On =>
Normal Hit = 5 + 7 Holy + 3.5 Acid + 5.5 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing +5 PA = 27.5 Damage
Critical Hit = 15 + 7 Holy + 14.5 Acid + 16.5 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing + 15 PA= 70.5 Damage
+5 Holy, Acid Burst Khopesh Mineral, 30 Str =>
Normal Hit = 5 + 7 Holy + 3.5 Acid + 5.5 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing + 10 Str = 32.5 Damage
Critical Hit = 15 + 7 Holy + 14.5 Acid + 16.5 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing + 30 Strength= 85.5
+5 Holy, Acid Burst Khopesh Mineral, 30 Str, Power Attack On =>
Normal Hit = 5 + 7 Holy + 3.5 Acid + 5.5 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing + 10 Str +5 PA = 37.5 Damage
Critical Hit = 15 + 7 Holy + 14.5 Acid + 16.5 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing + 30 Str +15 PA = 100.5 Damage
+5 Holy, Acid Burst Dwarven Axe Mineral Weapon, 10 Str =>
Normal Hit = 5 + 7 Holy + 3.5 Acid + 9 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing = 24.5 Damage
Critical Hit = 15 + 7 Holy + 14.5 Acid + 27 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing = 66 Damage
+5 Holy, Acid Burst Dwarven Axe Mineral Weapon, 10 Str, Power Attack On =>
Normal Hit = 5 + 7 Holy + 3.5 Acid + 9 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing +5 PA = 29.5 Damage
Critical Hit = 15 + 7 Holy + 14.5 Acid + 27 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing +15 PA = 81 Damage
+5 Holy, Acid Burst Dwarven Axe Mineral Weapon, 30 Str =>
Normal Hit = 5 + 7 Holy + 3.5 Acid + 9 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing + 10 Str = 34.5 Damage
Critical Hit = 15 + 7 Holy + 14.5 Acid + 27 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing + 30 Str = 96 Damage
+5 Holy, Acid Burst Dwarven Axe Mineral Weapon, 30 Str, Power Attack On =>
Normal Hit = 5 + 7 Holy + 3.5 Acid + 9 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing + 10 Str +5 PA = 39.5 Damage
Critical Hit = 15 + 7 Holy + 14.5 Acid + 27 Weapon + 2.5 Slicing + 30 Str + 15 PA = 111 Damage
Consider 100 Swings, 5% of critical hits are not confirmed.
Khopesh has 5 misses, 76 Normal Hits, 19 Critical Hits.
Dwarven Axe has 5 misses, 85.5 Normal Hits, 9.5 Critical Hits.
Average Weapon Damage
Khopesh
10 Str => (5 * 0 + 76 * 22.5 + 19 * 55.5) / 100 = 27.65 Damage / Swing
10 Str, PA => (5 * 0 + 76 * 27.5 + 19 * 70.5) / 100 = 34.30 Damage / Swing
30 Str => (5 * 0 + 76 * 32.5 + 19 * 85.5) / 100 = 40.95 Damage / Swing
30 Str, PA => (5 * 0 + 76 * 37.5 + 19 * 100.5) / 100 = 47.60 Damage / Swing
Dwarven Axe
10 Str => (5 * 0 + 85.5 * 24.5 + 9.5 * 66) / 100 = 27.22 Damage / Swing
10 Str, PA => (5 * 0 + 85.5 * 29.5 + 9.5 * 81) / 100 = 32.92 Damage / Swing
30 Str => (5 * 0 + 85.5 * 34.5 + 9.5 * 96) / 100 = 38.62 Damage / Swing
30 Str, PA => (5 * 0 + 85.5 * 39.5 + 9.5 * 111) / 100 = 44.32 Damage / Swing
Dwarven Axe with extra +1 Hit
On Average is a 2.5 % Increase in Damage
10 Str => 1.025 * 27.22 Damage / Swing = 27.90 Damage / Swing
10 Str, PA => 1.025 * 32.92 Damage / Swing = 33.74 Damage / Swing
30 Str => 1.025 * 38.62 Damage / Swing = 39.59 Damage / Swing
30 Str, PA => 1.025 * 44.32 Damage / Swing = 45.43 Damage / Swing
At Best is a 5.0 % Increase in Damage
10 Str => 1.05 * 27.22 Damage / Swing = 28.58 Damage / Swing
10 Str, PA => 1.05 * 32.92 Damage / Swing = 34.57 Damage / Swing
30 Str => 1.05 * 38.62 Damage / Swing = 40.55 Damage / Swing
30 Str, PA => 1.05 * 44.32 Damage / Swing = 46.54 Damage / Swing
Dwarven Axe with extra +2 Hit
On Average is a 5.0 % Increase in Damage
10 Str => 1.05 * 27.22 Damage / Swing = 28.58 Damage / Swing
10 Str, PA => 1.05 * 32.92 Damage / Swing = 34.57 Damage / Swing
30 Str => 1.05 * 38.62 Damage / Swing = 40.55 Damage / Swing
30 Str, PA => 1.05 * 44.32 Damage / Swing = 46.54 Damage / Swing
At Best is a 10% Increase in Damage
10 Str => 1.10 * 27.22 Damage / Swing = 29.94 Damage / Swing
10 Str, PA => 1.10 * 32.92 Damage / Swing = 36.21 Damage / Swing
30 Str => 1.10 * 38.62 Damage / Swing = 42.48 Damage / Swing
30 Str, PA => 1.10 * 44.32 Damage / Swing = 48.75 Damage / Swing
The Dwarven Axe is extremely close to a Khopesh. I'd say it would depend on race/build as to which one you would pick. The Khopesh is marginally better until you have an extra +2 racial bonus to Hit with the Dwarven Axe.Last edited by Alcides; 07-09-2008 at 08:48 AM.
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Instead of mechanically and mentally crunching the numbers, I got lazy and used the weapon comparisom tool. With the axe enhancements, an axe is better. If I add on a crit enhc, such as acid burst, to both, the axe is still marginally better. If you dont use the axe enhc, however, khopesh is better.
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12-10-2008, 06:23 AM #5Founder
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I used the weapon comparison tool as well and the axe came out ahead of the khopesh. Then how come alot of number crunching posts have the Khopesh ahead of Dwarven Axe?? I must be putting the info in wrong or missing something??
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Originally Posted by Justicesar
I was wrong..Khopesh beats the Dwarven axe. I guess the decision has to be made between using a feat, no problem for fighter or.....using up 12 enhancment points. Kensai in combo with Dwarven Axes would be 12+11 by the way....which is where I'm going.
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Bumping to save from cleansing death. Plan to update with Kensai I numbers.
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please factor in the enhancements Dwarves get for damage, as MOST people that use this instead of Kopeshes are going to be dwarves. Those that say misses dont matter because they hit most of the time I think discredit the importance of EVERY hit.
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The math I did on this when I rolled my dorf ranger concluded even with dorf axe damage, the kopesh still is slightly higher on dps depending on strength. I used 36 strength when calculating it and accounted for offhand damage dual-weilding mineral 2 shroud weapons. As strength increases, the kopesh will largen it's margin over the d-axe.(this margin is very very small) It's more a question of feat vs enhancements.
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Yeah. Originally Posted by KatanAztar
Choosing your weapon depends on what your build finds more costly: a feat or action points.Erzskalde (Warchanter) / Erzassassin (just passing through - ignore me) / Erzsoldat (waiting for TR-time) / Erzschmied (ranged Artificer)
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If your a Dwarf, you fight with the axe!
If you use some strange human weapon your no dwarf at all.
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It has always amazed me when people do the numbers. I praise you, sir. Originally Posted by Alcides
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Another thing to consider is that these statistics are valid on mobs that can be critically hit. In which the Khopesh is a little better than the Dwarven Axe. IF the monster cannot be critically hit, or has some degree of fortification I believe the Dwarven Axe would be superior due to the fact of the higher base damage dice (Dwarven Axe 2d8 vs Khopesh 1d10).
Please let me know if I'm wrong, but if any of you want, could you crunch the numbers on 50% Fort and 100% Fort?
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The flaw with the previously posted damage breakdown is that it only factors a margin of the damage enhancements existant in the game.
To break it into an actual build and compare the different weapons:
Dwarven level 20 barbarian, DA
Code:Brb20 Dwarf Build TWF TWF Fighting Style Weapon DA DA Weapon Type 0 0 Extra Critical Threat Range 3 3 Extra Critical Multiplier (F-Berserker bonus) Yes Yes <Element> Burst Yes Yes <Element> Blast No No <Alignment> Burst No No <Alignment> Blast Base Damage 9 9 Weapon base damage 5 5 Weapon modifier 27 13 Strength 8 8 Power attack 2 2 Frenzied berserker set 2 2 Shintao monk set 2 2 Racial damage enhancement 9 9 Song 1 1 Prayer 65 51 Total Base Effects 7 7 Holy 3,5 3,5 <Element> 21 21 Vicious 2,5 2,5 Slicing 1 1 Force ritual 35 35 Effects Total 100 86 Total Base With Effects Critical Hits 6 6 Seeker 2 2 Critical threat range 3 3 Critical multiplier 195 153 Base critical damage 35 35 Effects 11 11 <Element> Burst 11 11 <Element> Blast 0 0 Alignment Burst 0 0 Alignment Blast 14 14 Natural 20 18 18 Total seeker damage 22 22 Critical Effects 270 228 Critical Total 0 0 Attack 1 100 86 Attack 2 100 86 Attack 3 100 86 Attack 4 100 86 Attack 5 100 86 Attack 6 100 86 Attack 7 100 86 Attack 8 100 86 Attack 9 100 86 Attack 10 100 86 Attack 11 100 86 Attack 12 100 86 Attack 13 100 86 Attack 14 100 86 Attack 15 100 86 Attack 16 100 86 Attack 17 100 86 Attack 18 516 432 Attack 19 530 446 Attack 20 137,3 117 Average Damage Mob Immunities 0 0 Fortification 0 0 Damage reduction 0 0 Elemental resistance Relevant Attack Data 5 5 Minutes lapsed 0 0 Number of haste boosts 0 0 Tempest/ Zeal/ Capstone 0 0 Haste boost 0 0 Number of Smites 0 0 Divine Sacrifice Interval No No Superior TWF No No Quick draw Attackspeed 0 0 Number of haste boosts used 83 83 Normal 107,68 107,68 Haste/ Other 107,68 107,68 Haste/ Other/ Boost 538,42 538,42 Total Amount of Attacks 73925,2 62995,26 Total Damage 27384,09 Damage/M 246,42 209,98 Damage/S 456,4 Damage Per Second Barb Critical Hit (19-20) 6 6 Seeker 6 6 Critical multiplier 390 306 Base critical damage 35 35 Effects 27,5 27,5 <Element> Burst 27,5 27,5 <Element> Blast 0 0 Alignment Burst 0 0 Alignment Blast 14 14 Natural 20 36 36 Total seeker damage 55 55 Critical Effects 516 432 Critical Total
Dwarven level 20 barbarian, Khopesh
ConclusionCode:Brb20 Dwarf Build TWF TWF Fighting Style Weapon Khopesh Khopesh Weapon Type 0 0 Extra Critical Threat Range 3 3 Extra Critical Multiplier (F-Berserker bonus) Yes Yes <Element> Burst Yes Yes <Element> Blast No No <Alignment> Burst No No <Alignment> Blast Base Damage 5,5 5,5 Weapon base damage 5 5 Weapon modifier 27 13 Strength 8 8 Power attack 2 2 Frenzied berserker set 2 2 Shintao monk set 9 9 Song 1 1 Prayer No No Bladesworn 59,5 45,5 Total Base Effects 7 7 Holy 3,5 3,5 <Element> 21 21 Vicious 2,5 2,5 Slicing 0 0 Other effects 1 1 Force ritual 35 35 Effects Total 94,5 80,5 Total Base With Effects Critical Hits 6 6 Seeker 4 4 Critical threat range 3 3 Critical multiplier 178,5 136,5 Base critical damage 35 35 Effects 11 11 <Element> Burst 11 11 <Element> Blast 0 0 Alignment Burst 0 0 Alignment Blast 14 14 Natural 20 18 18 Total seeker damage 22 22 Critical Effects 253,5 211,5 Critical Total 0 0 Attack 1 94,5 80,5 Attack 2 94,5 80,5 Attack 3 94,5 80,5 Attack 4 94,5 80,5 Attack 5 94,5 80,5 Attack 6 94,5 80,5 Attack 7 94,5 80,5 Attack 8 94,5 80,5 Attack 9 94,5 80,5 Attack 10 94,5 80,5 Attack 11 94,5 80,5 Attack 12 94,5 80,5 Attack 13 94,5 80,5 Attack 14 94,5 80,5 Attack 15 94,5 80,5 Attack 16 253,5 211,5 Attack 17 253,5 211,5 Attack 18 483 399 Attack 19 497 413 Attack 20 145,23 122,13 Average Damage Mob Immunities 0 0 Fortification 0 0 Damage reduction 0 0 Elemental resistance Relevant Attack Data 5 5 Minutes lapsed 0 0 Number of haste boosts 0 0 Tempest/ Zeal/ Capstone 0 0 Haste boost 0 0 Number of Smites 0 0 Divine Sacrifice Interval No No Superior TWF No No Quick draw Attackspeed 0 0 Number of haste boosts used 83 83 Normal 107,68 107,68 Haste/ Other 107,68 107,68 Haste/ Other/ Boost 538,42 538,42 Total Amount of Attacks 78192,19 65754,66 Total Damage 28789,37 Damage/M 260,64 219,18 Damage/S 479,82 Damage Per Second Barb Critical Hit (19-20) 6 6 Seeker 6 6 Critical multiplier 357 273 Base critical damage 35 35 Effects 27,5 27,5 <Element> Burst 27,5 27,5 <Element> Blast 0 0 Alignment Burst 0 0 Alignment Blast 14 14 Natural 20 36 36 Total seeker damage 55 55 Critical Effects 483 399 Critical Total
Khopesh: 480
Dwarven Axe: 456
480/456=5,2% more dps for the khopesh.
The Khopesh uses a feat, whilst the Dwarven axe uses 12 APs. Both about the same worth depending on build / class.
If the khopesh user would be a WF with maxed PA enhancements, he would have ~498 dps, ~9,2% more dps. (though less to hit).
It really all boils down to what you prefer, and what class / build you're playing, and what quest you're playing.
In most situations however, the Khopesh will be ahead.
EDIT:
Same builds vs 50% fort
DA
KhopeshCode:Brb20 Dwarf Build TWF TWF Fighting Style Weapon DA DA Weapon Type 0 0 Extra Critical Threat Range 3 3 Extra Critical Multiplier (F-Berserker bonus) Yes Yes <Element> Burst Yes Yes <Element> Blast No No <Alignment> Burst No No <Alignment> Blast Base Damage 9 9 Weapon base damage 5 5 Weapon modifier 27 13 Strength 8 8 Power attack 2 2 Frenzied berserker set 2 2 Shintao monk set 2 2 Racial damage enhancement 9 9 Song 1 1 Prayer No No Bladesworn 65 51 Total Base Effects 7 7 Holy 3,5 3,5 <Element> 21 21 Vicious 2,5 2,5 Slicing 0 0 Other effects 1 1 Force ritual 35 35 Effects Total 100 86 Total Base With Effects Critical Hits 6 6 Seeker 2 2 Critical threat range 3 3 Critical multiplier 130 102 Base critical damage 35 35 Effects 11 11 <Element> Burst 11 11 <Element> Blast 0 0 Alignment Burst 0 0 Alignment Blast 14 14 Natural 20 9 9 Total seeker damage 22 22 Critical Effects 196 168 Critical Total 0 0 Attack 1 100 86 Attack 2 100 86 Attack 3 100 86 Attack 4 100 86 Attack 5 100 86 Attack 6 100 86 Attack 7 100 86 Attack 8 100 86 Attack 9 100 86 Attack 10 100 86 Attack 11 100 86 Attack 12 100 86 Attack 13 100 86 Attack 14 100 86 Attack 15 100 86 Attack 16 100 86 Attack 17 100 86 Attack 18 335,5 286,5 Attack 19 349,5 300,5 Attack 20 119,25 102,45 Average Damage Mob Immunities 50 50 Fortification 0 0 Damage reduction 0 0 Elemental resistance Relevant Attack Data 5 5 Minutes lapsed 0 0 Number of haste boosts 0 0 Tempest/ Zeal/ Capstone 0 0 Haste boost 0 0 Number of Smites 0 0 Divine Sacrifice Interval No No Superior TWF No No Quick draw Attackspeed 0 0 Number of haste boosts used 83 83 Normal 107,68 107,68 Haste/ Other 107,68 107,68 Haste/ Other/ Boost 538,42 538,42 Total Amount of Attacks 64206,7 55161,23 Total Damage 23873,59 Damage/M 214,02 183,87 Damage/S 397,89 Damage Per Second Barb Critical Hit (19-20) 6 6 Seeker 6 6 Critical multiplier 227,5 178,5 Base critical damage 35 35 Effects 27,5 27,5 <Element> Burst 27,5 27,5 <Element> Blast 0 0 Alignment Burst 0 0 Alignment Blast 14 14 Natural 20 18 18 Total seeker damage 55 55 Critical Effects 335,5 286,5 Critical Total
Khopesh: 404Code:Brb20 Dwarf Build TWF TWF Fighting Style Weapon Khopesh Khopesh Weapon Type 0 0 Extra Critical Threat Range 3 3 Extra Critical Multiplier (F-Berserker bonus) Yes Yes <Element> Burst Yes Yes <Element> Blast No No <Alignment> Burst No No <Alignment> Blast Base Damage 5,5 5,5 Weapon base damage 5 5 Weapon modifier 27 13 Strength 8 8 Power attack 2 2 Frenzied berserker set 2 2 Shintao monk set 9 9 Song 1 1 Prayer No No Bladesworn 59,5 45,5 Total Base Effects 7 7 Holy 3,5 3,5 <Element> 0 0 Tempest set 0 0 Henshin monk set 0 0 Sneak attack 21 21 Vicious 2,5 2,5 Slicing 0 0 Other effects 1 1 Force ritual 35 35 Effects Total 94,5 80,5 Total Base With Effects Critical Hits 6 6 Seeker 4 4 Critical threat range 3 3 Critical multiplier 119 91 Base critical damage 35 35 Effects 11 11 <Element> Burst 11 11 <Element> Blast 0 0 Alignment Burst 0 0 Alignment Blast 14 14 Natural 20 9 9 Total seeker damage 22 22 Critical Effects 185 157 Critical Total 0 0 Attack 1 94,5 80,5 Attack 2 94,5 80,5 Attack 3 94,5 80,5 Attack 4 94,5 80,5 Attack 5 94,5 80,5 Attack 6 94,5 80,5 Attack 7 94,5 80,5 Attack 8 94,5 80,5 Attack 9 94,5 80,5 Attack 10 94,5 80,5 Attack 11 94,5 80,5 Attack 12 94,5 80,5 Attack 13 94,5 80,5 Attack 14 94,5 80,5 Attack 15 94,5 80,5 Attack 16 185 157 Attack 17 185 157 Attack 18 316,25 267,25 Attack 19 330,25 281,25 Attack 20 121,7 103,5 Average Damage Mob Immunities 50 50 Fortification 0 0 Damage reduction 0 0 Elemental resistance Relevant Attack Data 5 5 Minutes lapsed 0 0 Number of haste boosts 0 0 Tempest/ Zeal/ Capstone 0 0 Haste boost 0 0 Number of Smites 0 0 Divine Sacrifice Interval No No Superior TWF No No Quick draw Attackspeed 0 0 Number of haste boosts used 83 83 Normal 107,68 107,68 Haste/ Other 107,68 107,68 Haste/ Other/ Boost 538,42 538,42 Total Amount of Attacks 65525,84 55726,57 Total Damage 24250,48 Damage/M 218,42 185,76 Damage/S 404,17 Damage Per Second Barb Critical Hit (19-20) 6 6 Seeker 6 6 Critical multiplier 208,25 159,25 Base critical damage 35 35 Effects 27,5 27,5 <Element> Burst 27,5 27,5 <Element> Blast 0 0 Alignment Burst 0 0 Alignment Blast 14 14 Natural 20 18 18 Total seeker damage 55 55 Critical Effects 316,25 267,25 Critical Total
DA: 398
404/398=1,5% more dps for the khopesh, vs 50% fort.Last edited by Absolute-Omniscience; 10-16-2009 at 04:54 PM.
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A-O, would you be willing to do a breakdown for 100% Fort?
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Oh yes, sitting in an abbot so semi-busy will try to get it done while I wait for the slackers over at phase 1. Originally Posted by Tallyn
A-O, would you be willing to do a breakdown for 100% Fort?
DA
Code:Brb20 Dwarf Build TWF TWF Fighting Style Weapon DA DA Weapon Type 0 0 Extra Critical Threat Range 3 3 Extra Critical Multiplier (F-Berserker bonus) Yes Yes <Element> Burst Yes Yes <Element> Blast No No <Alignment> Burst No No <Alignment> Blast Base Damage 9 9 Weapon base damage 5 5 Weapon modifier 27 13 Strength 8 8 Power attack 2 2 Frenzied berserker set 2 2 Shintao monk set 2 2 Racial damage enhancement 9 9 Song 1 1 Prayer No No Bladesworn 65 51 Total Base Effects 7 7 Holy 3,5 3,5 <Element> 21 21 Vicious 2,5 2,5 Slicing 0 0 Other effects 1 1 Force ritual 35 35 Effects Total 100 86 Total Base With Effects Critical Hits 6 6 Seeker 2 2 Critical threat range 3 3 Critical multiplier 65 51 Base critical damage 35 35 Effects 11 11 <Element> Burst 11 11 <Element> Blast 0 0 Alignment Burst 0 0 Alignment Blast 14 14 Natural 20 0 0 Total seeker damage 22 22 Critical Effects 122 108 Critical Total 0 0 Attack 1 100 86 Attack 2 100 86 Attack 3 100 86 Attack 4 100 86 Attack 5 100 86 Attack 6 100 86 Attack 7 100 86 Attack 8 100 86 Attack 9 100 86 Attack 10 100 86 Attack 11 100 86 Attack 12 100 86 Attack 13 100 86 Attack 14 100 86 Attack 15 100 86 Attack 16 100 86 Attack 17 100 86 Attack 18 155 141 Attack 19 169 155 Attack 20 101,2 87,9 Average Damage Mob Immunities 100 100 Fortification 0 0 Damage reduction 0 0 Elemental resistance Relevant Attack Data 5 5 Minutes lapsed 0 0 Number of haste boosts 0 0 Tempest/ Zeal/ Capstone 0 0 Haste boost 0 0 Number of Smites 0 0 Divine Sacrifice Interval No No Superior TWF No No Quick draw Attackspeed 0 0 Number of haste boosts used 83 83 Normal 107,68 107,68 Haste/ Other 107,68 107,68 Haste/ Other/ Boost 538,42 538,42 Total Amount of Attacks 54488,21 47327,21 Total Damage 20363,08 Damage/M 181,63 157,76 Damage/S 339,38 Damage Per Second Brb20 Dwarf Build Special Barb Critical Hit (19-20) 6 6 Seeker 6 6 Critical multiplier 65 51 Base critical damage 35 35 Effects 27,5 27,5 <Element> Burst 27,5 27,5 <Element> Blast 0 0 Alignment Burst 0 0 Alignment Blast 14 14 Natural 20 0 0 Total seeker damage 55 55 Critical Effects 155 141 Critical Total
Khopesh
Khopesh: 328Code:Brb20 Dwarf Build TWF TWF Fighting Style Weapon Khopesh Khopesh Weapon Type 0 0 Extra Critical Threat Range 3 3 Extra Critical Multiplier (F-Berserker bonus) Yes Yes <Element> Burst Yes Yes <Element> Blast No No <Alignment> Burst No No <Alignment> Blast Base Damage 5,5 5,5 Weapon base damage 5 5 Weapon modifier 27 13 Strength 8 8 Power attack 2 2 Frenzied berserker set 2 2 Shintao monk set 9 9 Song 1 1 Prayer No No Bladesworn 59,5 45,5 Total Base Effects 7 7 Holy 3,5 3,5 <Element> 21 21 Vicious 2,5 2,5 Slicing 0 0 Other effects 1 1 Force ritual 35 35 Effects Total 94,5 80,5 Total Base With Effects Critical Hits 6 6 Seeker 4 4 Critical threat range 3 3 Critical multiplier 59,5 45,5 Base critical damage 35 35 Effects 11 11 <Element> Burst 11 11 <Element> Blast 0 0 Alignment Burst 0 0 Alignment Blast 14 14 Natural 20 0 0 Total seeker damage 22 22 Critical Effects 116,5 102,5 Critical Total 0 0 Attack 1 94,5 80,5 Attack 2 94,5 80,5 Attack 3 94,5 80,5 Attack 4 94,5 80,5 Attack 5 94,5 80,5 Attack 6 94,5 80,5 Attack 7 94,5 80,5 Attack 8 94,5 80,5 Attack 9 94,5 80,5 Attack 10 94,5 80,5 Attack 11 94,5 80,5 Attack 12 94,5 80,5 Attack 13 94,5 80,5 Attack 14 94,5 80,5 Attack 15 94,5 80,5 Attack 16 116,5 102,5 Attack 17 116,5 102,5 Attack 18 149,5 135,5 Attack 19 163,5 149,5 Attack 20 98,18 84,88 Average Damage Mob Immunities 100 100 Fortification 0 0 Damage reduction 0 0 Elemental resistance Relevant Attack Data 5 5 Minutes lapsed 0 0 Number of haste boosts 0 0 Tempest/ Zeal/ Capstone 0 0 Haste boost 0 0 Number of Smites 0 0 Divine Sacrifice Interval No No Superior TWF No No Quick draw Attackspeed 0 0 Number of haste boosts used 83 83 Normal 107,68 107,68 Haste/ Other 107,68 107,68 Haste/ Other/ Boost 538,42 538,42 Total Amount of Attacks 52859,48 45698,48 Total Damage 19711,59 Damage/M 176,2 152,33 Damage/S 328,53 Damage Per Second Brb20 Dwarf Build Special Barb Critical Hit (19-20) 6 6 Seeker 6 6 Critical multiplier 59,5 45,5 Base critical damage 35 35 Effects 27,5 27,5 <Element> Burst 27,5 27,5 <Element> Blast 0 0 Alignment Burst 0 0 Alignment Blast 14 14 Natural 20 0 0 Total seeker damage 55 55 Critical Effects 149,5 135,5 Critical Total
DA: 339
339/328=3,3% more dps for the DA
0% fort:
Khopesh 5,2% more dps
50% fort:
Khopesh 1,5% more dps
100% fort:
DA 3,3% more dpsLast edited by Absolute-Omniscience; 10-16-2009 at 05:18 PM.
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Very cool, thank you A-O. This confirms my thoughts that the difference between Khopesh and Dwarven Axe really are just a matter of preference.
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01-13-2010, 12:03 PM #18Community Member
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Do these results take into account the bursting properties of mineral 2 weapons?
like the extra acid damage on a crit from burst etc?
Either way, looks good.
How would the comparison be made looking at 20 kensai, as opposed to 20 barbs?
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02-04-2010, 01:53 PM #19Community Member
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Ginetti, yes the numbers posted are inculding bursts.
However, the numbers assume a lot of stuff:
1. A-O numbers are for FB barb, not a kensai.
2. Include every possible buff and piece of gear (unrealistic)
3. Assume no misses (unrealistic in high end dungeons)
4. All damage treated equal (no dr or resistance on mobs, again unrealistic)
5. No fort (unrealisitc)
All of these assumptions favor the kopesh. In reality a dwarf will do more damage with a D Axe than a kopesh. Now a WF with kopesh will be marginally ahead of a dwarf with D Axe.
As to how the comparison of kensai instead of barb would be different, here are some of the differences.
1. vicious damage
2. +1 crit range
3. +3 PA
4. 3 extra crit multiplier on 19,20
5. rage
6. power surge
7. capstones
8. haste boosts
favor kopesh if barb (1,2,3,5,7)
favor D. Axe if barb (4,6)
favor neither (8)
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05-26-2011, 04:43 AM #20Community Member
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Base damage correction
In the first post, to calculate base damages the khopesh crit damage is multiplied by 4/20, while the dwarven axe crit damage is multiplied by 2/18. If the dwarven axe crit damage is multiplied by 2/20, as it seems it should be, the base damage total would be 54.6 rather than 56.3.
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