Please help me double check this build.

[TataLebuj]

Howdy all,

I've maxxed out a sorc and love the sheer power of the class. This time around I wanted to create something that was good with DPS, but that also could do a lot of CC and help the party. Please take a look through this and let me know if you see any glaring mistakes. Spells can be switched around, though I didn't see how to do that in the CharGen.

Anyway, thanks for any input/guidance!

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Cleric/Sorc 
Level 16 Neutral Good Drow Male
(1 Cleric \ 15 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 88
Spell Points: 1567 
BAB: 7\7\12
Fortitude: 7
Reflex: 5
Will: 19

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)          (Level 16)           (Level 16)
Strength              9                  9                    9
Dexterity            10                 10                   11
Constitution         10                 10                   10
Intelligence         14                 14                   14
Wisdom               11                 11                   11
Charisma             20                 24                   26

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 16)          (Level 16)
Balance               0                  0                    0
Bluff                 5                  8                    8
Concentration         4                 19                   20
Diplomacy             8                 19                   20
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                7                 17                   17
Heal                  1                  1                    2
Hide                  0                  0                    0
Intimidate            5                  8                    8
Jump                 -1                 -1                   -1
Listen                0                  0                    2
Move Silently         0                  0                    0
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                  2                    2
Search                2                  2                    4
Spot                  0                  0                    2
Swim                 -1                 -1                   -1
Tumble                n/a               n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      7                 17.5                 17.5

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Drow Spell Resistance
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus (Drow)
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Spell (1): Bane
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cause Fear
Spell (1): Command
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Doom
Spell (1): Inflict Light Wounds
Spell (1): Nightshield
Spell (1): Nimbus of Light
Spell (1): Obscuring Mist
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Remove Fear
Spell (1): Shield of Faith
Spell (1): Summon Monster I
Enhancement: Cleric Concentration I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I

Level 2 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray
Spell (1): Charm Person
Enhancement: Cleric Diplomacy I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I

Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Spell (1): Grease
Enhancement: Improved Drow Spell Resistence I
Enhancement: Cleric Heal I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I

Level 4 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (1): Ray of Enfeeblement
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements I

Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Daze Monster
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Subtle Spellcasting I

Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Extra Turning
Spell (2): Scorching Ray
Enhancement: Improved Drow Spell Resistence II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II

Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (3): Haste
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy Manipulation II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration I

Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (3): Fireball
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Energy I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Energy I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Subtle Spellcasting II

Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (4): Wall of Fire
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Energy II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements II

Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (4): Stoneskin
Enhancement: Improved Drow Spell Resistence III

Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (5): Cone of Cold
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Energy II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements II

Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (3): Lightning Bolt
Spell (4): Acid Rain
Spell (5): Ball Lightning
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II

Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (6): Flesh to Stone
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded III

Level 14 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (4): Enervation
Spell (5): Cloudkill
Spell (6): Mass Suggestion
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Energy III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements III

Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Diehard
Spell (7): Otto's Sphere of Dancing
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded IV

Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (5): Teleport
Spell (6): Disintegrate
Spell (7): Finger of Death

[Jakarr]

Looks good but ya really dont need the 3 pnts into wis If ya only taking 1 lvl of cleric u need 11 wis but u can get that with ease w/Owls Wisdom or Tomes or +3 item. But looks good over all I make a 1cleric/15sorc only got em to 5 but it was very fun alot of sp to heal if I need to also and a **** load of dvs that were usefull at lower lvl quests.

[Impaqt]

While a WHole bunch of DV1's can be situationally useful, I find 1 level of Bad to be significantly more benefitical to a sorc over the long haul.

Givingup your top level of spells for a couple hundred spell point you may use once every 10 quests or so, or keep up your own Spell point pool and add UMD as a Class Skill while still gaining Healing wand useage.....

A Sorc that can throw around a Heal scroll when needed is a lot beter than a SOrc that can give the cleric a few spell points in a pinch.

[Kawiki]

I have to agree that you lose too much with the Cleric level. At 16 you will be able to use all healing wands and heal scrolls at about 90% success rate. Giving up your top spell level is not a good idea. I would also consider shaving points from anything other then CHR and adding them to CON to get to, at the very least, a 12 CON.

[bobbryan2]

10 base con? 88 base HP?

All I can say is ouch.

[TataLebuj]

Thanks for all the replies! A couple of things I forgot to mention:

1.) This build has no equipment - so let's add +6 to all stats by lvl 16.
2.) This build is not intended to be the power Sorc we normally see - I have one of those and its fantastic, but I've noticed that the last few Mods Sorc's are getting shafted - everything has crazy SR or saves. Thats why I'd like to have a build that takes care of the group with CC spells and has the ability to provide emergency mana. The top level spells are not my real concern with this toon, though I definitely appreciate your insight into how that 1 lvl of cleric will effect him.
3.) I thought I needed at least an 11 wis to cast 1st lvl spells....and I didn't want to have to constantly quaff owl potions to cast heal.

However, I really do appreciate the feedback from you guys. Thank you so much!

Cheers,

[Impaqt]

Thanks for all the replies! A couple of things I forgot to mention:

1.) This build has no equipment - so let's add +6 to all stats by lvl 16.
2.) This build is not intended to be the power Sorc we normally see - I have one of those and its fantastic, but I've noticed that the last few Mods Sorc's are getting shafted - everything has crazy SR or saves. Thats why I'd like to have a build that takes care of the group with CC spells and has the ability to provide emergency mana. The top level spells are not my real concern with this toon, though I definitely appreciate your insight into how that 1 lvl of cleric will effect him.
3.) I thought I needed at least an 11 wis to cast 1st lvl spells....and I didn't want to have to constantly quaff owl potions to cast heal.

However, I really do appreciate the feedback from you guys. Thank you so much!

Cheers,

You Realize all those Mobs that are stickinit to ya on Fod with their Spell Resistance are gong ot be doign the same thing to your Crowd Control spells right?

with 1 level of cleric, you wont be casting HEAL. You'll be casting asn incredibly wead 1d8+1 Cure light wounds. Utterly useless.

Extra Turning? So you can give a cleric 40 more spellPoints? Incredibly bad feat choice. Die Hard? Um.. with under 200 Hit points, your arent going to get incaped ofetn.. Yourt gonna be going straight to Deceased. Die hard cant help there....

You wanna be more effective Crowd Control/Party Support. Drop those 2 feats for the Spell Penn Feats. Get rid of the Cleric level and Take bard, Max UMD for Heal Scroll Useage (Target 39 UMD)

[Merkinsal]

I am a believer in true sorcs with no mixed class. I think our spell selection is limited enough as it is with giving up a class and extra spell selection. That being said, much of your build is beyond me because you have mixed in so much cleric. I couldn't tell you how to fix it or even if it can.

That aside, the first thing I saw that needs to be corrected, no doubt about it, is your CON. 10 con with 88 hit points is insane. In fact, If you weren't obviously so sincere in your post, I would have thought this was practical joke.

My thoughts looking at this build are that you should dump it and start over again, but before rerolling read back thru the sorc forums, far back, post by post and spend days if you have to. I think you do not have a grasp of the elementary basics of a sorc and reading the forums will bring you up to date quickly.

[Merkinsal]

I started writing my post above about 2 hours before posting it so I didnt have the benefit of seeing the later posts. I think you are probalby getting the idea by now. CC won't land. No hp. This is just the beginning and these are all beginner mistakes we would all make with no knowledge of ddo signing onto a trial account for the first time. My recommendation is the same re the forum. There are years of experience and good advice buried in these forums on 100's of fine points.