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[Borror0]

If the person is clueless, then they're clueless, don't join. -shrug

And my point here is... I open a lot of my parties up to most classes.
We run without clerics or casters lots of times, but if I want a certain class for my party, and I list it that way, then that's what I want.

There is a difference between "Do you want X?" and "You're a moron because..."

When I run on my clerogue I'd put up "You'll be sorry if I'm your healer" I'll get the right sort of people joining.

Brilliant.

[Borror0]

I find those groups are usually the best, and it keeps up those who are all full of fear.

Usually, I rather join those LFMs than the ones with class selected... of course, asking for clerics for the Shroud isn't the same...

[satya_sai]

There is a difference between "Do you want X?" and "You're a moron because..."

I know how to work the lfm panel.
I want what I put the lfm up for.

There's a difference between "you don't know what you're talking about, you just need me" and "if you don't get that, i'm this and willing to come".

[Durack]

I got the answer for the OP.. Spread the ALL class love and form & lead your OWN raids open to every class if you feel so strongly about your post .......

I would agrue that people who have LFM's up are relegated to puggin and haven't played with the people joining thier raids. I'm sure they are trying to be a good raid leader and are trying to fill the group with builds known for being able to perform certain tasks inside the raid to ensure success and not trying to be biased....

Can you blame them really? especially when they dont know the player & thier talents. I say it's no slight just that they are being that people tend to blame the person with the star if the raid fails.....


I agree with one thing you said though no a cleric is NOT needed for every quest... Shoot I just finished madstone elite with 3 monks a bard and a sorc all levels 11-13.....

[Durack]

oh and a p.s. I formed a Shroud raid on friday and had it open to ALL meele classes... Monk's,Pally's, Fighter's, and Barb's...it was the last spot that i needed to fill and in my LFM I had "Have proper fiend weapon".... Guess what showed up.......

This: Where do you see proper magical imbuement's that would allow this person to be a contributing raid member?


Believe it or not this person seriously thought he could tank the fiend with this weapon... Can you blame a raid organizer for being so selective I say no it's his raid his LFM find another or form your own raid....To each thier own as the saying goes. But no treason weilding meele's in my shroud runs I will ensure that ....

[Borror0]

I know how to work the lfm panel.
I want what I put the lfm up for.

If you're looking melee classes, I'm going to suggest my bard because he is a melee character, far from gimped DPS.

[Durack]

If you're looking melee classes, I'm going to suggest my bard because he is a melee character, far from gimped DPS.

we have a dwarven bard in our guild that has tanked the fiend and he did AWESOME.. any class played,built, & geared properly can be a contributing member but the KEY word here is PLAYED right .. hat's off bor

[Borror0]

any class played,built, & geared properly can be a contributing member but the KEY word here is PLAYED right

Agreed, but I'd not even try to send a non-dwarf bard tank the fiend on Elite. There are sometimes thresholds you cannot meet.

Toughness enhancements breaking the race/class balance FTW!

[Ardanroth]

with regards to the treason weapon and the shroud. Having never been there what type of weapon is required ?

[MrCow]

with regards to the treason weapon and the shroud. Having never been there what type of weapon is required ?

A transmuting weapon or, ideally, a weapon with silver and good properties (holy, pure good, etc.) to bypass the DR of the pit fiend.

[Aesop]

with regards to the treason weapon and the shroud. Having never been there what type of weapon is required ?

To tank the Fiend a Holy/good aligned Silver Weapon... or a Transmuting weapon is needed to overcome his DR.

You will want around 350 HP or more and either a very high AC or other methods of Damage mitigation

I could see treason being used by a secondary to the main tank... as part of a TWF group on a rogue whose primary means of Damage is through the 7d6 sneak attack +enhancements (so somewhere between 7d6+5 and 7d6+29 damage)

but it is not a main tanks weapon of choice here

Aesop

[Ministry]

...Can you blame them really? especially when they dont know the player & thier talents. I say it's no slight just that they are being that people tend to blame the person with the star if the raid fails.....

Okay, you definitely can't dispute this one.

When it comes to the tougher quests and raids, I still don't worry about classes / builds, but what I do look for when I'm the party/raid leader is names I recognize or guilds that I know well.

I post an LFM and I have a few spots free and could desperately use a Cleric, but Durack wants to join on his tank, well... I grab him, or it's someone I don't know and they are in a guild that I have respect for and I take them and then we either go with what we have or we chat as a group to see if someone wants to switch toons.

Worst case scenario, it's my party, so I will switch to one of my Clerics... but only if we are really desperate...

[sigtrent]

My favorite LFMs as of late are the ....

Monk
Monk
Monk
Monk
Monk

looking for....

Cleric only


Good luck boys!

[Ministry]

My favorite LFMs as of late are the ....

Monk
Monk
Monk
Monk
Monk

looking for....

Cleric only


Good luck boys!

LMAO for real...

This is sooooo... true.

I can't think of how many times I've run in a full or almost full party of monks. Good thing I'm sick of running my monk (broke) and am back to my other toons.

[DoctorWhofan]

This is exactly my point.
If I have the star, I need what I put in the lfm. Not what you think I need.
You don't know what the story is with those other two barbarians... They might be split leveled, switching, dual boxing, or ...I just might very well want a third for whatever reason I have.
If the person is clueless, then they're clueless, don't join. -shrug

And my point here is... I open a lot of my parties up to most classes.
We run without clerics or casters lots of times, but if I want a certain class for my party, and I list it that way, then that's what I want.

agreed. If you don't know whatthe party is really like, you cannot judge why the leader is posting the way he is posting.

But Monks are pure DPS. When I ask fortanks, they are listed, unless I have one. Same for Rangers

[SlipperyPete]

"Reavers Fate".. going to wait around for 20 mins to fill 3 spots for more people to stand around and do nothing?

LOL...that's so true.

[moorewr]

But Monks are pure DPS. When I ask fortanks, they are listed, unless I have one. Same for Rangers

..but are you looking for tanks or for DPS?


[EDIT: hurray, I ninja'd Borro!]

[Borror0]

But Monks are pure DPS.

Not true. Monks are tanks, not DPS. And rangers are DPS, you got the order reversed Triss.

[gfunk]

I am totally fine with people posting LFM's any which way they want, in fact, I would encourage complete honesty. If they don't want my ranger/monk/fleric/battle sorc in the party, best if they just don't check said class off. I am not offended if they don't want to play with me. Conversely, If they are running WW and have a posting that says "need cleric", then i know that they are more likely to be newer players, and they might not be the sort i want to run with if I have limited time. And, I can totally understand when no one wants my pure Rogue for the shroud... honestly, it's just not the optimal build for that raid*.

Getting bent out of shape because you don't like how other people post their LFM's is just going to contribute to ulcers, alcoholism, and possibly plat buying.

*I qualify this remark by mentioning that i believe that a very well tricked out rogue, or a multi-class rogue can contribute nicely to this raid. Maybe wrack construct will also help with the portals enough to increase rogue usefullness, i havent tried it out yet.

[AkromaAoW]

If after scanning a party makeup I think I can contribute to a group/quest, I will request to join a party regardless of what's posted and let the party leader decide if he or she wants me. Sometimes I get to go, occasionally I don't. Sometimes I'll get a polite tell explaining why I'm not going, and every once in a great, great while, I'll get a rude "can't you read - need a tank/rogue/extra healer/etc., not a #@!@$ ranger" tell .