ok, be brutal......

[croger1520033]

listen man, all you have done is cause drama in a thread where i was asking for help, please leave this thread, i do not want your input.

I came here because all you have done with most of the help is tell everyone they are wrong. Get over it man, people tried helping out early in the build and you come up with so many excuses its funny. I get it you want everyone to agree with you, but you won't have everyone agreeing with you in this thread. If you want everyone to agree with you don't post stuff here.

I also don't care if you want my input or not you put this on a public forum you are getting it wether you wanted it or not.

[Inspire]

Suicide bats in vision I am sure they hit regardless of AC, also is that 70 buffed dual wielding??

Nope S&B But, Allegaince Has A 55Ac Unbuffed When 2hF.

My Point Still Stands, Even With That Ac, Current Elite/End Game Content Take, The Hound For Example... Those Reavers Have An Ungoldy To-Hit On Elite.

[Aspenor]

I came here because all you have done with most of the help is tell everyone they are wrong. Get over it man, people tried helping out early in the build and you come up with so many excuses its funny. I get it you want everyone to agree with you, but you won't have everyone agreeing with you in this thread. If you want everyone to agree with you don't post stuff here.

I also don't care if you want my input or not you put this on a public forum you are getting it wether you wanted it or not.

Dude, this is the pally forum. Sounds like you have a sweet RANGER, that has no strength and no DPS. Gratz on that.

[Ozoro]

I came here because all you have done with most of the help is tell everyone they are wrong. Get over it man, people tried helping out early in the build and you come up with so many excuses its funny. I get it you want everyone to agree with you, but you won't have everyone agreeing with you in this thread. If you want everyone to agree with you don't post stuff here.

I also don't care if you want my input or not you put this on a public forum you are getting it wether you wanted it or not.

no, when people gave advice most of it was out of sync with what i was looking for and that is what i said. aseop saw that early on in the post, only you are still harping on about it. if i wanted everyone to agree with me i would not have posted here at all. what i do want if for you and you "12 lvls of ranger would be teh ubahz" to stop posting because all you are doing is derailing the thread. now if you could please stop posting, and guys just ignore him, we will all be happy.


and yes, im trying very, VERY hard not to be angry at this point.

[Inspire]

Dude, this is the pally forum. Sounds like you have a sweet RANGER, that has no strength and no DPS. Gratz on that.

Hmmm, I Wouldnt Assume Low Strength And Dps, As Many Dwarven Rangers Can Achieve A High Ac/Dps.

[Aspenor]

Hmmm, I Wouldnt Assume Low Strength And Dps, As Many Dwarven Rangers Can Achieve A High Ac/Dps.

When you are talking that many ranger levels with AC like that, it means he is reliant on his dexterity for both his AC and to-hit. Most dwarven twf rangers are strength based and don't get AC to that level.

He has to give on some stat, and I'm willing to bet it's strength. Maybe 12 strength at creation, max? More likely 10.

[Inspire]

[nom nom nom]

I Prefer My Barbs Tanking The Fiend As Opposed To Rangers Soley Because Even If Rangers Are Tempest, They Do Alot Of Damage With A Tier3 Bow With Manyshot And Favored Enemy, If A Barbarian Tried That Theyd be Laughable, The Good Thing About Str Rangers Is They Can Do Both... Favored Enemy For The To-Hit And High Str Goes Well With Bow Strength... The Problem Comes When You Have 2 Clerics And 4 Barbarians, Then That Ranger Who Wants To Tank... You Will Get The Short End Because You Are Able To Perform A Different Job And Still Be Very Effective.

[Aspenor]

Did I say you were gimped? Are you amped up on something? Drink too much coffee? Need a smoke or something?

Wow. So I made an assumption about your build. The end of the world must be coming. Break down that AC for me

I will go back to the original point, he wants a nearly pure paladin build, and has for some time. Your build is fine, but he doesn't want 12 levels of ranger in his paladin. Nobody cares how great your 12 ranger level with a paladin splash happens to be. The point of the discussion here is to help Oz with his pally15/1ftr.

[croger1520033]

Dude, this is the pally forum. Sounds like you have a sweet RANGER, that has no strength and no DPS. Gratz on that.

Yea you pretty much said gimped with that right there.

No just bored atm no grps, Fathers Day and all.

[Aspenor]

No just bored atm no grps, Fathers Day and all.

Go outside.

[Inspire]

When you are talking that many ranger levels with AC like that, it means he is reliant on his dexterity for both his AC and to-hit. Most dwarven twf rangers are strength based and don't get AC to that level.

He has to give on some stat, and I'm willing to bet it's strength. Maybe 12 strength at creation, max? More likely 10.

16Dwarven Ranger(Off The Top Of My Head):

16Str +4Lvls +2Tome(Assume Favor) +6Item = 28Str
16Dex +3Enh +1Tome +6Item = 26Dex
16Con +2Dwarf +6Item = 24Con
11Int +2Tome = 13Int
9Wis +1Tome +6Item = 16Wis
8Cha

Ac:

10Base
8Dex(+5Mith Bp +3DAM)
5Armor Enh(+5 Mith Bp)
5Protection
5Combat Expertise
6Dodge
4Insight
2Tempest
3Natural(Seal Of Earth)
1Ritual

Total = 49Unbuffed

[Aspenor]

16Dwarven Ranger(Off The Top Of My Head):

16Str +4Lvls +2Tome(Assume Favor) +6Item = 28Str
16Dex +3Enh +1Tome +6Item = 26Dex
16Con +2Dwarf +6Item = 24Con
11Int +2Tome = 13Int
9Wis +1Tome +6Item = 16Wis
8Cha

Ac:

10Base
8Dex(+5Mith Bp +3DAM)
5Armor Enh(+5 Mith Bp)
5Protection
5Combat Expertise
6Dodge
4Insight
2Tempest
3Natural(Seal Of Earth)
1Ritual

Total = 49Unbuffed

That's a completely useless AC end-game....

[Inspire]

Wow. So I made an assumption about your build. The end of the world must be coming. Break down that AC for me

Attempted.

The point of the discussion here is to help Oz with his pally15/1ftr.

Agreed.

[croger1520033]

Go outside.

Lol I totally would but it is hot and way too humid right now. Moved to NY last year from AZ and humidity kills me.

I will leave this thread alone though looks like some life is starting to come back in the game now lol.

Sorry...

[Inspire]

That's a completely useless AC end-game....

I Agree, You Just Asked For The Breakdown.

[Aspenor]

I Agree, You Just Asked For The Breakdown.

Well the number 50 had been tossed around, my rogue easily gets 49 dual wielding. I'm trying to figure out how to get it higher (shroud items of course)

As for OZ, I think it's a solid build and you'll do awesome on it. Go for a shroud SP item and you'll have no worries on the divine favor and buffing, I think.

[croger1520033]

I Agree, You Just Asked For The Breakdown.

Kundarak delving suit works better and no CE.

[Hanam]

You've never met a rogue with a Radiance II rapier have you Croger?

[Inspire]

Kundarak delving suit works better and no CE.

True, But The Delving Suit Warrants You -2Ac If You Negate CE, Bringing You To A 47. You Quoted 50Ac Unbuffed.

[Inspire]

You've never met a rogue with a Radiance II rapier have you Croger?

Mine Has A Radiance 2 Khopesh... Heh, But I Think He Means Before Buffs, And I Think Blindness Would Count As A Debuff... Hehe The -4 To Hit Anyways, Not The +4 Insight. Or +2/3Dex If Dual Weilding Tier3 Shroud Items.