suggestion: Green Steel Transformation recipe

[Angelus_dead]

I fundamentally disagree with the argument that they HAVE to offer these changes and they have to offer them NOW.

Nobody has made that argument. It's not something they "HAVE" to do... it's something they should have done.

People crafted, knowing that knowledge of crafting and available rituals were limited. Now new things are being learned.

No. It's not a question of something "being learned". The lack of a Green Steel Greataxe in Module 6 was not because nobody tried putting a Splintered Horn into the Altar Of Fecundity. It simply didn't work back then.

It's not something that was learned, but something that was observed when it changed.

In real life, you don't DESERVE a FREE TV just because they developed high definition and plasma screens and when you bought your TV 10 years ago it was the best available at the time but didn't have those features.

That position is wrong in many ways, but I'll just tell one of them: This is not real life. It's a game, and we're paying for it to be fun.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Except where they told us that a use for the splintered horns was coming?

Not signed. For the same reasons that every change to a skill or class shouldn't allow a total character respec.

Yeah, and what do we use large splintered horns for? **** 20k gold power orbs...thanks Turbine.

Again, we asked time and time about axe's/rapier's and got told "things are coming" which told us exactly nothing.

This is a good suggestion in the OP, but it will never happen.
It would take some grind out the game. Grind = more time played = more "content".
Never gonna happen.

Get back to grinding.

[Yaga_Nub]

........This is a good suggestion in the OP, but it will never happen.......

Oh B, you once showed so much promise but with that simple acknowledgment, you have sent back to the minor leagues. No sainthood or divine ascension for you.

[Wire_Paladin]

I'm sorry... you talk about taking responsibility, but you give amnesty to the real people making changes. No one asked for a do over simply because they made a bad decision. They're actually asking for a do over because Turbine made a bad decision.

Where's your crusade against Turbine for taking responsibility for the actions they took?

There are plenty of issues to criticize Turbine about but this isn't one of them. A bad decision because Turbine decided to roll out the recipes? I don't think so. When the players made their uber green steel items were they complaining? I don't think so.

They only complained when new green steel items come out. Boohoo. My item is not as uber as yours. Boohoo. It's not fair. Boohoo. Mine isn't bigger than yours. Boohoo. Turbine owes it to me. Boohoo. There's too much whining in the forum these days. Reminds me of a 4 letter word. Its starts with B and ends in y.

You figure it out. Boohoo

[Vallin]

I suppose that different people have different definitions of what is 'fun.' I see no foul in the fact that the horns didn't work in Mod 6 but they do now. To me, it is 'fun' to consider that perhaps our characters learned HOW to use those horns at the altar. Boldrin had it right in the old Greensteel Bastard Sword thread that has been referenced - he said "My take is.... if they gave us everything now, what would there be to look forward to??"

I just don't see why they SHOULD HAVE done these changes that some people are asking for.

Personally, I don't see that the Shroud is a grind. I don't run it over and over and over though. Some days I am in the Shroud gathering ingredients. Some days I am getting kicked around in the new raid. Sometimes I run the Reaver, hoping for that elusive +3 tome. Sometimes I wander back into the harbor looking for Vials of Pure water. Sometimes I go back into House J and House K and see what difficulty my level 16 toons can run those quests solo.

I suppose it all becomes a grind when you are just pumping out the same high level quest over and over because you are looking for that high level endgame uber super-fantastic item NOW. If that is how some people get their fun out of this game then I understand why they want insta-deconstruction or insta-transformation into the new definition of uber-fantastic gear. However, I suggest that although that may be one method of having fun with the game it also is a method that will lead to quicker dissatisfaction and boredom with it all. At least I think it would.

Anyway, enjoy the game as you will.

Cheers,

Vallin

[MysticTheurge]

When the players made their uber green steel items were they complaining? I don't think so.

They only complained when new green steel items come out.

You haven't been paying very much attention then.

When Greensteel items were first released there were dozens and dozens of threads both complaining that certain item types weren't included and asking if they were going to be included in the future (so that people who wanted them could hold off making their items until the blanks they wanted were released).

[Yaga_Nub]

You haven't been paying very much attention then.

When Greensteel items were first released there were dozens and dozens of threads both complaining that certain item types weren't included and asking if they were going to be included in the future (so that people who wanted them could hold off making their items until the blanks they wanted were released).

Why would the devs say yes or no?

[Turial]

I suppose that different people have different definitions of what is 'fun.' I see no foul in the fact that the horns didn't work in Mod 6 but they do now. To me, it is 'fun' to consider that perhaps our characters learned HOW to use those horns at the altar. Boldrin had it right in the old Greensteel Bastard Sword thread that has been referenced - he said "My take is.... if they gave us everything now, what would there be to look forward to??"

Whats foul is that the horns were a hold over from testing and werent supposed to make it live. Once we pointed this out to the devs it is likely that they had to come up with a use for them...which in this case was the new recipies. Who knows if we would have gotten these recipies otherwise.

[bobbryan2]

There are plenty of issues to criticize Turbine about but this isn't one of them. A bad decision because Turbine decided to roll out the recipes? I don't think so. When the players made their uber green steel items were they complaining? I don't think so.

They only complained when new green steel items come out. Boohoo. My item is not as uber as yours. Boohoo. It's not fair. Boohoo. Mine isn't bigger than yours. Boohoo. Turbine owes it to me. Boohoo. There's too much whining in the forum these days. Reminds me of a 4 letter word. Its starts with B and ends in y.

You figure it out. Boohoo

First: You dont have any clue what you're talking about. There were countless threads asking for dev input on whether or not greensteel blanks were intentionally left out or were going to be added in the future.

No devs commented.

Second: That wasn't what I was even mentioning. You are lumping this in with every other time people ask for do overs, and I simply brought up that Turbine constantly changes the rules of the game on us. By your argument, the burden of responsibility should be on Turbine to fix the issues that are caused by the game changing. You claim that we live in a world where people don't take responsibility for their actions, but then don't even attribute blame where it should go.

If someone is walking around downtown, he should accept responsibility for getting mugged, right? It was his fault he was mugged simply because no one in their right mind would ever walk around downtown.

Like I said... it doesn't affect me one way or the other. I have my dual lightning strike dwarven axes. So all this boo hooing you're doing... doesn't apply to me at all. Had Turbine simply been upfront letting people know that new blanks would be coming, you wouldn't hear this uproar now because people could make informed decisions.

But that's the key... Turbine never lets us make informed decisions. You have to be psychic to continually make the correct decision. But I suppose it's our fault we're not all psychic. Boo Hoo.

[bobbryan2]

Why would the devs say yes or no?

Because that would allow players to make informed decisions about their character than their ingredients. And people would get a lot less mad when they change the name of the game if they knew it was coming.

Informed customers = happy customers.

It all goes back to the fact that Turbine prefers damage control and secrecy to communication and transparency.

[bandyman1]

There are plenty of issues to criticize Turbine about but this isn't one of them. A bad decision because Turbine decided to roll out the recipes? I don't think so. When the players made their uber green steel items were they complaining? I don't think so. Are you BLIND? I couldn't count the number of threads that poped up when people found out they were " stuck " with making a shortsword, a maul, or a khopesh instead of being able to make a rapier, a greataxe, or a dwarven axe. And in not a single one of those threads were we ever told from a Dev that those weapons would be added.

They only complained when new green steel items come out. Like I said; You must be blind. Boohoo. My item is not as uber as yours. Boohoo. It's not fair. Boohoo. Mine isn't bigger than yours. Boohoo. Turbine owes it to me. Boohoo. There's too much whining in the forum these days. Reminds me of a 4 letter word. Its starts with B and ends in y.

You figure it out. Boohoo

Comments in Red.

Actually having a clue what you're talking about before you type goes so far.

[MysticTheurge]

Why would the devs say yes or no?

I'm not arguing that the devs should've said anything.

I'm simply pointing out that his statement was wrong.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Why would the devs say yes or no?

Exactly. Saying yes or no would 1) Stop the grind for yer greensteel maul/greatsword
and 2) Mean you wouldnt need/want to replace that maul with a greensteel axe instead, eliminating another grind.

Very well played Turbine, once again.

Because that would allow players to make informed decisions about their character than their ingredients. And people would get a lot less mad when they change the name of the game if they knew it was coming.

Informed customers = happy customers.

It all goes back to the fact that Turbine prefers damage control and secrecy to communication and transparency.

Again, you are thinking Turbine dont want you to grind. The absolute opposite is true. The more you want something the more
you will play, the more you play the more money they receive.

[Yaga_Nub]

Informed customers = happy customers.

Not always.

Informed customers = informed customers. That's the only certainty.

If they did come out and say that new weapons would be rolled out, using just those words, would you have been happy?

Probably not because although you would have known that more weapons were coming, you wouldn't have known which weapons and when they were coming.

Let's say that they said this: All other greensteel weapons would be available in Mod 9. You still wouldn't have been happy because even though you have the knowledge that ALL remaining weapons would be available in Mod 9, you still don't know when Mod 9 is or why you have to wait so long.

Let's say that they said they would randomly add all of the remaining weapons each maintenance window. You'd still be mad because you wouldn't know when your weapon of choice would be added.

In all of these scenarios you are a more informed customer but not necessarily a happier customer. In fact, you might actually be an angrier customer than before. You know what the best way to show your displeasure is to a merchant that doesn't provide the service or goods that you want? Discontinue doing business with that merchant. Since you are still here, I'm guessing that this merchant, Turbine, is providing you enough of a service to stay.

[Angelus_dead]

To me, it is 'fun' to consider that perhaps our characters learned HOW to use those horns at the altar. Boldrin had it right in the old Greensteel Bastard Sword thread that has been referenced - he said "My take is.... if they gave us everything now, what would there be to look forward to??"

New quests with new loot in the next module, that's what we'd look forward to.

When a module is released, you're not supposed to have to look forward to getting the real loot from this module in some future update. When it's released, it should be released.

Abbot raid broken at launch and not fixed for 2+ modules later = bad.
Shroud raid launched and not given its real loot table until 1 module later = bad.

[Yaga_Nub]

New quests with new loot in the next module, that's what we'd look forward to.

When a module is released, you're not supposed to have to look forward to getting the real loot from this module in some future update. When it's released, it should be released.

Abbot raid broken at launch and not fixed for 2+ modules later = bad.
Shroud raid launched and not given its real loot table until 1 module later = bad.

You do not decide when the REAL loot table is, the devs do. The devs decided it was what it was.

[Angelus_dead]

You do not decide when the REAL loot table is, the devs do. The devs decided it was what it was.

Please, keep it up.

[bandyman1]

You do not decide when the REAL loot table is, the devs do. The devs decided it was what it was.

Yaga bro, I gotta ask;

Why the hell are you here like some Avenging God of the Poor Abused Turbine Dev Staff?

Wasn't it you who said in the other thread that the reason you're against the Devs implementing deconstruction of greensteel items is because of your fear of how many other things they'd break? So....your argument against this is Dev incompetence, but you're going to defend them tooth and nail against the nasty people who're calling them out?

ROTFLMAO. Sorry bro, but **** you needed your balls busted here.

[Yaga_Nub]

Yaga bro, I gotta ask;

Why the hell are you here like some Avenging God of the Poor Abused Turbine Dev Staff?

Wasn't it you who said in the other thread that the reason you're against the Devs implementing deconstruction of greensteel items is because of your fear of how many other things they'd break? So....you're argument against this is Dev incompetence, but you're going to defend them tooth and nail against the nasty people who're calling them out?

ROTFLMAO. Sorry bro, but **** you needed your balls busted here.

This is different. Adding a type of weapon isn't as complicated as fully designing a system for deconstructing greensteel or other items.

Plus, you have to have noticed a pattern in all my posts at some point.

[bandyman1]

This is different. Adding a type of weapon isn't as complicated as fully designing a system for deconstructing greensteel or other items.

Plus, you have to have noticed a pattern in all my posts at some point.

Yeah Yaga, I have bro.

But basicly a personal vendetta has no place here man. Sorry bro, but this really is an issue I'd like to see some comment from Turbine on pretty **** soon.