New potion mechanics.

[Vandos]

The new potion behaviour just sucks.

Running a self sufficient Barb has become a nightmare again (remember lesser restore?) only this time we have curse and fear pots we cannot use when raged.

The only potions that you should be able to use on someone else is remove paralysis, cure wounds and lesser restore for those helpless situations.

Rather than helping make groups more self sufficient and less of a need for a cleric in group this new behaviour just penalizes those who do try and be self sufficient and makes the need for a cleric or wand whipper even more necessary.

When I go to buy my potions give me the option to buy with a funnel or without. If I buy without a funnel then I get the old style pots that are only self use (behave as per original potions).

If I want to be a good samaritan and carry pots for others (I won't unless one of the three scenarios above, up to everyone to be self sufficient) then I'll buy the funnel ones (that behave like clickies).

How hard would it be to add the original pots back into vendors lists and add a (with funnel) after the new ones in the list?

[llevenbaxx]

I believe this goes for the while "feared" condition also. Was running Tangleroot with a group last night and the Witchdoctor cast it on 4 members of the party in one shot. The slight panic that followed was quite fun.

[Kraak]

Suxxor


/signed

[Allistair]

Nothing like dying because you couldn't drink a Cure potion, because you are feared and couldn't drink a remove fear potion.
What's the point of a remove fear potion if I can't drink it when feared????

W-T-F!
Change this back ASAP!

[Angelus_dead]

Nothing like dying because you couldn't drink a Cure potion, because you are feared and couldn't drink a remove fear potion.
What's the point of a remove fear potion if I can't drink it when feared????

What's the point of a Fear spell if you can push a button to fix yourself in 1/2 second?

The point of a Remove Fear potion is:
1. You can drink it beforehand to get a saving throw bonus against fear.
2. You can drink it while suffering from a 10-minute shaken debuff.
3. You can pour it on someone else who is feared and unable to act.

The Fear spell is SUPPOSED to prevent all actions, except for basic movement. By rights you shouldn't be able to use any potions while feared. That you're allowed to use Cure pots is a gift.

[Missing_Minds]

The new potion behaviour just sucks.

Running a self sufficient Barb has become a nightmare again (remember lesser restore?) only this time we have curse and fear pots we cannot use when raged.

You forgot remove poison and remove disease.

Running undead desert will kill you now.

[Missing_Minds]

Nothing like dying because you couldn't drink a Cure potion, because you are feared and couldn't drink a remove fear potion.
What's the point of a remove fear potion if I can't drink it when feared????

W-T-F!
Change this back ASAP!

The "fear" effect when you fail is absolute terror. In PnP, if I remember correctly, you are forced to run from the fight, and nothing else. Fear is completely irrational. Sure, it makes logical sence, chug the potion and get better. When you are afraid you are not going to think that one bit. If you've never been scared crapless in your life, it is something hard to understand.

[Angelus_dead]

You forgot remove poison and remove disease.
Running undead desert will kill you now.

Disease Immune items are cheeeep....

[Torilin]

Have to agree Barbs are screwed, have you run the Devil raid yet, lets just say for a Barb not being able to drink potions it just suxs. What was the purpose of this anyway. Now my fighter wont even madstone in big fights for fear of not being able to take care of himself. Please lets go back to the original way potions were.

[Missing_Minds]

Disease Immune items are cheeeep....

or extremely expensive. Plat is easy no question, but character free item slots can be hard to come by depending on the gear.

[arminius]

I was going to start a TWF Barb as early as this evening. Now, not so sure.

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[Missing_Minds]

I was going to start a TWF Barb as early as this evening. Now, not so sure.

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You shouldn't have an issue at the low levels. It is the higher levels it will become much more apparent.

[Phidius]

What's the point of a Fear spell if you can push a button to fix yourself in 1/2 second?

The point of a Remove Fear potion is:
1. You can drink it beforehand to get a saving throw bonus against fear.
2. You can drink it while suffering from a 10-minute shaken debuff.
3. You can pour it on someone else who is feared and unable to act.

The Fear spell is SUPPOSED to prevent all actions, except for basic movement. By rights you shouldn't be able to use any potions while feared. That you're allowed to use Cure pots is a gift.

I thought the point of potions was to allow you to treat yourself, not others. Besides, it doesn't seem fair when enemy spell casters can cast spells while paralyzed, or that I have to chase a stonned Quinny around his cave, yet I can't drink a potion 'cause I'm scared. I can't even drink a potion of Lesser Restore when my charisma is reduced from the Quori spiders in VON 2...

/signed

[tenga]

The "fear" effect when you fail is absolute terror. In PnP, if I remember correctly, you are forced to run from the fight, and nothing else. Fear is completely irrational. Sure, it makes logical sence, chug the potion and get better. When you are afraid you are not going to think that one bit. If you've never been scared crapless in your life, it is something hard to understand.

so, while feared, you cannot see the logic in drinking a potion, but apparently its logical that someone can shield block? type in party chat for a remove fear? jump off a ledge to strategically avoid death? if you have to be an argumentative moron, at least go the whole way, don't half ass it just to prove your worthless point.

[tenga]

Disease Immune items are cheeeep....

when you find a fear/disease/curse/poison immunity item, you let me know. then i'll buy it from you for a "cheeeep" price.

[Kargon]

when you find a fear/disease/curse/poison immunity item, you let me know. then i'll buy it from you for a "cheeeep" price.

Psst... Shroud tier 2.... not so 'cheeep', and pretty high levamel, but it eximist, and in almost any slot want it for

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Psst... Shroud tier 2.... not so 'cheeep', and pretty high levamel, but it eximist, and in almost any slot want it for

Cept for the curse part....

[Grimdiegn]

Fear is a non issue in my opinion.

When fighting mobs that "fear", drink the potion before the battle and its a non issue.

If you want to solo, stop being cheap about it.

[tihocan]

When fighting mobs that "fear", drink the potion before the battle and its a non issue.

Potions of remove fear do not grant fear immunity.

[GramercyRiff]

What's the point of a Fear spell if you can push a button to fix yourself in 1/2 second?

The point of a Remove Fear potion is:
1. You can drink it beforehand to get a saving throw bonus against fear.
2. You can drink it while suffering from a 10-minute shaken debuff.
3. You can pour it on someone else who is feared and unable to act.

The Fear spell is SUPPOSED to prevent all actions, except for basic movement. By rights you shouldn't be able to use any potions while feared. That you're allowed to use Cure pots is a gift.

We need to get to the point where we stop comparing this game to PnP. Sure it's nice to know the rules and compare to two, but they are two completely different games in the way they play. If monsters behaved and worked under the same rules we do, I'd be all for strict interpretation. The fact is PnP and DDO are similar in name only.

As for the new pots...I've parked my Barbarian and he won't come out to play until this is fixed. It's a horrible change if it makes a character unplayable.