Ranger/Rogue Build - Feedback requested

[Deg]

I have recently come back to DDO and I am looking to a new ranger build. For all you experienced rangers out there, I would like some feedback/suggestions on this build.

Little Note: My favored enemies I just picked to fill out, I haven't decided on what to take. So suggestions there would be nice.

Thanks for looking!

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aedsafsdaf 
Level 16 True Neutral Elf Male
(1 Rogue \ 15 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 146
Spell Points: 184 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 20
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity            20                    29
Constitution         10                    10
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               12                    12
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               6                    10
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         0                     0
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        n/a                  19
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  1                     1
Hide                  9                    20
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  2                     2
Listen                5                     8
Move Silently         9                    25
Open Lock             n/a                  20
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                4                    20
Spot                  5                     8
Swim                  0                     0
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Reptillian
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Elf Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I

Level 2 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I

Level 4 (Ranger)

Level 5 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Elf Ranged Attack I

Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II

Level 7 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II

Level 8 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II

Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Shot on the Run
Enhancement: Elf Ranged Damage II

Level 10 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III

Level 11 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider

Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost III
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III

Level 13 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost IV

Level 14 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I

Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack II

Level 16 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Chaotic Outsider
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage IV
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense II

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Are you planning on being the primary trapmonkey for your parties? If so, I've got a couple of suggestions to make....

Pretty much, always start a ranger/rogue hybrid with rogue first. You end up wasting a lot of important class skill points by doing otherwise.

A dual-class (in my opinion, ymmv) can't afford to max a stat out. Take the dex down to 18, and put those points into int or con. I generally build my ranger/rogues to hit a 16 int after whatever tomes I have available, but a lot of other people are satisfied with a 14. Others recommend an 18.

Umd is one of the best reasons for dropping a rogue level into another class. It adds an incredible amount of flexibility and survivability to a build.

True neutral is a decent alignment, but without umd, you are locking yourself away from any item with the "pure good" suffix on it. You also won't be able to use a res ring. For general weapon purposes, neutral good tends to work a little bit better.

[Vengenance]

If you plan on being the main rogue in the party in elite content then you need to have a minimum of 58 Disable Device, and ~45ish OL (not as important since you can try to open a lock as many times as necessary. Your going to have to change some stuff up or plan on getting some highend equipment and raid gear to pull this off. Personally, I'd drop my dex to 18

+19 Ranks
+15 DD Item
+7 +5 tools
+3 Int (+6 item)
+4 GH
+2 Head of Good Fortune (Reaver Loot)
+5 Skill Boost
+3 Bracers from Reaver
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Here are the starting stats I went with on my Ranger/Rogue
Stats
Str 16 + 2 ram's + 3 levels + 1 tome + 6 item = 28
Dex 18 + 3 Ranger + 2 Eleven dex + 1 level +2 tome + 6 item = 32
Con 12 + 2 tome + 6 item= 20
Int 12+2 tome +6 item=20
Wis 10 + 6 item + 2 favor tome = 18
Cha 8 = dump stat

I would increase your strength to at least 14, increase your intelligence to at least 12, increase your Con to at least 12 although 14 would be better.

[Xithos]

I would strongly consider working the feat "Weapon Finesse" into your build somehow. With the Dex you are going to end up with, this feat will really help you hit stuff and a ranger that can melee and shoot things is pretty fashionable these days. My 2 cents.

[Deg]

Thanks for the input. I have thought over something's based on your comments and I have come up with a new build.

Something's to note: I can only build 28 points so I have had to adjust things because of this.

Here is my adjusted build.

Thoughts?

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Ranger Rogue
Level 16 Neutral Good Elf Male
(1 Rogue \ 15 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 162
Spell Points: 160 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 19
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             12                    12
Dexterity            18                    27
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               4                     8
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         1                     1
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        6                    22
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  0                     0
Hide                  8                    20
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  5                     6
Listen                4                     8
Move Silently         8                    26
Open Lock             8                    18
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    23
Spot                  4                    10
Swim                  1                     1
Tumble                8                    12
Use Magic Device      3                    16

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot

Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Reptillian

Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge

Level 4 (Ranger)

Level 5 (Ranger)

Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Mobility

Level 7 (Ranger)

Level 8 (Ranger)

Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Shot on the Run

Level 10 (Ranger)

Level 11 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider

Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse

Level 13 (Ranger)

Level 14 (Ranger)

Level 15 (Ranger)

Level 16 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Lawful Outsider
Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistence Boost III
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost IV
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elf Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elf Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elf Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elf Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage IV
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III

[CorusDaar]

Is ****

[CorusDaar]

Halfling Male
Lawful Good
(L18 Ranger/L1 Rogue/L1 Fighter)
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Create your character as Rogue, then take levels 2 to 5 as Ranger, level 6 as Fighter, and 7 to 20 as Ranger.

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Strength 12
Dexterity 18
Constitution 14
Intelligence 14
Wisdom 12
Charisma 8

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Ability increase every 4 levels: All in DEX.

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Skills : Disable Device, Search, Open Locks, UMD, Spot, Hide, Move Silently, Balance, Concentration, Tumble, Jump

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Feats (by level), except Human: Dodge (1), Favored Enemy: Undead (2), Weapon Finesse (3), Mobility (6), Spring Attack (6), Favored Enemy: Construct (7), Improved Crit: Piercing (9), Power Attack (12) or Khopesh proficiency (12), Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider (12), Toughness (15), Favored Enemy: Elemental (17), Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting (18)

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Enhancements (Rogue): Haste Boost I, Sneak Attack Training I

Enhancements (Ranger): Devotion II, Dexterity II, Energy Resistance Boost I, Favored Attack I, Favored Damage II, Favored Resistance I, Skill Boost III (except on Human), Sprint Boost I, Tempest III

Enhancements (Fighter): Attack Boost I (except on Human), Toughness I

Enhancements (Halfling): Cunning I, Guile II, Hero's Companion III, Luck (Fortitude) I, Luck (Reflex) II, Luck (Will) I, Racial Toughness II

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Is ****

Really? Was this necessary?

I'm gonna bet that the op has already made, capped, and rerolled a couple of times since may of 2008 when they posted this....

[CorusDaar]

Nah wasn't necessary if he re-rerolled, though he plainly forgot to post here again . So to the post, and the relevance of the build he has posted, yes. It's necessary. He can always come and defend himself by posting a better build.

[hplrules]

I had a halfling Rogue/Ranger in the beginning of this game who got Shot on the Run with a Heavy Repeating Crossbow. He ruled at the expense of too much ammo. His son carries on this approach as an Arbalester in the Mechanic Rogue line. It's far more efficient and you get a Greatbow with Keen that crits on a roll of 15 or better! This is truly the way to fight at range, and I effortlessly dominate combat from way back (which works out well since I pick up what my party ignores as they run ahead of me, leaving me to catch up halfway thru battles).

My build started with an 18 Dex and a 14 Int, and stayed a Rogue for the first 3 levels, then took a couple of Fighter levels for the feats and Attack Bonus to get Shot on the Run. As I started facing more undead, I got a screaming bow with Ghostbane, so I took a Ranger level and focused on Undead, recently leveling again as a Ranger to get Precise Shot. I'm being careful to keep the Greatbow as my main focus, but I switch out for non-corporeal opponents. Perhaps at some point I'll get a Greatbow that I can add a Ghostbane ruby to, but it'll be a while before something like that shows, and I'm only 9th level now.

The Mechanic Rogue has a lot of cool enhancements to add, like: Lacerating Shots, Thunderstone, Sharpshooter, Wracking Shot (ranged choice against constructs that allow for critical hits and sneak damage) and Skill Boost are my favorite enhancements, but there are many more reasons to choose this line over the others.

Having taken 3 classes already, I'm locked out of Prestige Classes later on, but I don't think that I'll be missing much. When giants run up to our party and I'm out front, they don't stop at my normal damage, run past me and start taking sneak attack multipliers as I shoot their backsides, and rarely make it to my fellows!