Healbot Branching Out

[Wan6Tan6]

With my Cleric, I want to use some of the wands of either Bard or Sorcerer. I want to use more different kinds of buffs. I know I must take a level of one of the other for this, but which one? I'm sitting comfortable with wis/cha 18 without items, but which splash class is better for this. Thanks for any responses.

[Blazer]

Splashing the sorc level would let you use any arcane wand. I'm not sure what kinds of buffs you will get for one level of either class honestly (clarification: I know what buffs you'll get, my point is they won't be very useful or long-lasting). Any sorc spells you get can only be cast at lvl 1, ditto for bard spells. You'll get a couple of songs for the bard level, but they would be immediately trumped by any real bard in the party.

What wands and buffs were you specifically looking to use?

[Arianrhod]

I don't think there are any wands bards get that wouldn't be covered by cleric/sorc. Sorcs, of course, get lots of wands bards don't. Taking bard early would have given you the option to invest a lot into UMD, but taking it late doesn't give you a whole lot. Sorc for wands + spellpoints seems like a better choice.

[Wan6Tan6]

Easily solved then. I've seen a few high level clerics with a level of sorcerer but not bard. Sorcerer it is.

Besides, you're not really missing anything by being all cleric spellwise, since you only get them with odd levels.

edit: I was looking at stuff like Mage Armor, Detect Secret Doors, Master's Touch, Expeditious Retreat, Blur, Knock, Greater Heroism, Haste, Stoneskin, and Repair Damage, Displacement, and Shadow Walk. I'm not sure if they all have a wand though.

[GeneralDiomedes]

UMD is superior for wand/scroll usage, so just a question .. what is your INT and Race? If you can catch up your UMD ranks in 6 levels I would go for Bard. I am betting you won't have the points however, but worth a try.

[Wan6Tan6]

Interesting idea, but it's only 13 before enhancements. The cleric is a drow. My UMD rank is 10 with my modifiers, however. I would probably be stretching the toon too thin with that.

Also, isn't there no UMD check for wands of certain classes? I wonder which would be better.

[Kargon]

Easily solved then. I've seen a few high level clerics with a level of sorcerer but not bard. Sorcerer it is.

Besides, you're not really missing anything by being all cleric spellwise, since you only get them with odd levels.

edit: I was looking at stuff like Mage Armor, Detect Secret Doors, Master's Touch, Expeditious Retreat, Blur, Knock, Greater Heroism, Haste, Stoneskin, and Repair Damage, Displacement, and Shadow Walk. I'm not sure if they all have a wand though.

Mage armormer are self only, but come in handy potimion form. Detect secret doors most usefumul on a clicky, masters touch not come on wand that kargon see, expedious come on wands but only last 1 miniminute and maybe also self only, stonemaskin, blur and knock wands are pretty handy, gh definatamally not come on wands, haste not on wands, repair handy, displacemament and shadow walk kargon not sure of.

[Zenako]

Pretty positive you will never see Shadow Walk on a Wand. Displacement might be on a Looted Wand, but I do not recall EVER seeing them at a vendor (witness the stack of scrolls my bard used to carry).

Think carefully about what spells you really expect to be casting/using from those lists and how most are readily available from other sources as mentioned. Unless your INT is really bad, you could get perhaps more from taking Wizard and the Meta feat you would get and the flexibility to know a whole handful of situational 1st level spells.

[Impaqt]

With my Cleric, I want to use some of the wands of either Bard or Sorcerer. I want to use more different kinds of buffs. I know I must take a level of one of the other for this, but which one? I'm sitting comfortable with wis/cha 18 without items, but which splash class is better for this. Thanks for any responses.

Didnt youjust say in another thread that you were perfectly happy paying your cleric? Why all of a suden the need to "Branch Out?"