kukri should be a monk weapon

[EinarMal]

Ouch.

You've seen the new unarmed animations, right?

Sure and they only took 1.5 years longer than they originally estimated.....

[cdbd3rd]

... Anywho I could have sworn that sickles, scythes, the like were monk weapons in 3.5 ?

Dunno about 3.5, but in 1st they had POLEARMS!!!!


/pokes Devs.

[dragnmoon]

Ouch.

You've seen the new unarmed animations, right?

Yup... I think they added Bruce Lee flicks to the Animation budget..

[Battery]

In my opinion this all would have been solved if the Monk had originally been referred to as a Pugilist, thereby not putting either a religious, geographic, or philosophical conotation to the class. This would make the classed name general similar to the generic Fighter, Rogue, Ranger, Wizard, Druid, Cleric, Paladin, Bard, Sorcerer, and Barbarian classes. Then, as a generic class, the Pugilist weapons could be defined by a specific Type, such as light simple weapons or something.

I blame TSR since they had monks in AD&D 1st Edition (I think).

If it was a pugilist you would further pigeonhole them into only having boxing gloves as class weapons

[Kaldais]

Except Sai are blunt, not piercing.

Sai is actually an underwater weapon, primarly used to pierce small boats or people. Chinese term for it is loosely translated to Water Parting Needles.

Katana is actually a Tang dynasty invention, a slightly more straight blade tho, but it had more usage in Japanese culture. In reality, it should be classified as a saber not a sword. Both the Chinese and Japanese actually uses the word saber to describe a katana instead of using the word Sword.

[SniptheShadow]

Wiki:

"The kukri (Devanāgarī: खुकुरी) is a heavy, curved Nepalese knife used as both tool and weapon. It is also a part of the regimental weaponry and heraldry of Gurkha fighters. It is known to many people as simply the "Gurkha Blade" or "Gurkha Knife"."

My best friend was Peace Corp. Nepal. He owns three and brought me back one as well. They're awesome, btw! The one I have is the larger size and heavy as can be; a bit surprising, actually.

As far as being an appropriate weapon on a Monk...? My views are the more weapons any class gets to use the better, but I won't sweat it.

I just wanted to clear up what a Kukri really is on this thread.

Thanks all.

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[Stormanne]

Yup... I think they added Bruce Lee flicks to the Animation budget..

Thats a very astute observation, considering Lee broke down Wing Chun, Ie Chin, Kung Fu, and Pa Kua to create Jeet Kun Do. He removed all the formal stances, unnecessary tradition, and incorporated the basic attack strings of each form. He later added bits and pieces of Tae Kwon Do, Akito, and Karate to fully flesh out his system.

[Stormanne]

Sai is actually an underwater weapon, primarly used to pierce small boats or people. Chinese term for it is loosely translated to Water Parting Needles.

The sai originated (in what can be considered its current form) in or about 1090 AD for moving and threshing bundles of rice. It was a precursor to the pitchfork in China..

[Kaldais]

The sai originated (in what can be considered its current form) in or about 1090 AD for moving and threshing bundles of rice. It was a precursor to the pitchfork in China..

Yes, but i'm talking about weapon usage not farm usage.

[Missing_Minds]

Special monk weapons: kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham.

That's it, unless you expand it via feats.

meh.. list them all.

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Monks are proficient with club, crossbow (light or heavy), dagger, handaxe, javelin, kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, siangham, and sling.

Monks are not proficient with any armor or shields
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Funny how only the kama, quarterstaff, and shurikens are the only weapons that don't make you loose your centering. Clubs will make you lose your centering although they are supposed to be proficient with them. Candy Canes also make you loose your centering. Go figure.

[RazorrX]

meh.. list them all.

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Monks are proficient with club, crossbow (light or heavy), dagger, handaxe, javelin, kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, siangham, and sling.

Monks are not proficient with any armor or shields
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Funny how only the kama, quarterstaff, and shurikens are the only weapons that don't make you loose your centering. Clubs will make you lose your centering although they are supposed to be proficient with them. Candy Canes also make you loose your centering. Go figure.

That is because . . .
PHB 3.5 Pg 40 :

Monks are proficient with certain basic peasant weapons and some special weapons that are part of monk training. The weapons which a monk is proficient are club, crossbow (light and heavy), dagger, hand axe, javelin, kama, nunchucku, quaterstaff, sai shuriken, siangham, and sling.

(( DDO does that as well, but not all weapons are in game yet))

PHB 3.5 PG 40:

Flurry of Blows:
When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons (kama, nunchaku, quaterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham).

Here we have DDO made Flurry of Blows basically 'centering' giving full AB vs the actual PnP version. This is their game, and thus their house rules. To that effect the whole "centering" thing is working pretty much in line with that concept of FOB = Centering = only a few weapons.

You are proficient with many more than you can use to FOB. If you can not FOB with what you have in your hand you are not Centered. *shrug* I can live with it.

I would like feats to add some more weapons as FOB weapons. Like the Kukri, daggers, short swords, long sword, etc. but am not too upset if that never happens.

[fatherpirate]

I would be happy if you could use a feat to turn a weapon you are prof at into a KI weapon.

I know sounds like an odd statement cuz monk weapons are KI weapons.
I am saying it from the point of view of a multiclass monk

So

If you had say...a monk/ranger...you could spend a feat to turn your longbow prof into a monk weapon
(so using it does not uncenter you)

I would put a restriction on it

By having the feat you remove the uncenter effect, but still should not get the improved weapon speed..that should be
reserved for unarmed, kama, staff, star and the feat should be very specific...not 'martial weapons' more like 'longswords' or 'longbows' or 'thrown daggers'

also, exclude repeating crossbows...trust me on that :-P

[MysticTheurge]

meh.. list them all.

I did.

Proficiency doth not a special monk weapon make.

[fatherpirate]

I did.

Proficiency doth not a special monk weapon make.

Very true

It would be NICE if you could use a feat to overcome that restriction,
however it would be a DDO house rule....so not holding my breath.

[MysticTheurge]

It would be NICE if you could use a feat to overcome that restriction,
however it would be a DDO house rule....so not holding my breath.

Not in several cases.

Eberron has feats that allow you to use longswords, double-bladed swords and longspears as special monk weapons.

[Rickpa]

Real world Tibetan monks don't fight... with the possible exception of the Dob Dobs, a brutish sort that are employed to guard some Gelugpa school monasteries.

"The Dob - dob are a special body of monks, found only in the great monasteries of Drepung, Sera and Ganden, distinguished for their physical strength and courage. Young monks who are strong and active and who can't find a teacher or are bad at learning, are drawn to join one of the groups into which the Dob - dob organize themselves and which go in for the most strenuous sports and exercises. They used to meet, as soon as it was light, in a sandy valley to the west of Sera, take a shower under a cold waterfall or a dip in a little stream and then run naked in the sand, wrestle, or practise carrying and throwing heavy stones. The most important exercise was long - jumping off a raised ramp and formerly there were great competitions with the Dob - dob of Drepung who were Sera’s long - standing rivals. The competition had to be stopped some time ago because there was a big fight and a monk was killed; but it was a Dob – dob’s ambition to be a good jumper and tough and skilful in all sports."

http://www.thdl.org/xml/showEssay.ph....xml&l=d1e1507

It doesn't appear that these fighting monks used weapons beyond sticks, rocks, and their own limbs. My guess Tibetan monks were a not factor in contriving the D&D monk.

[Drider]

Kukri's aren't even martial arts weapons. Just because they are from "Asia", doesn't make them one.

[Drider]

Ouch.

You've seen the new unarmed animations, right?

I think someone doesn't realize how much animations can actually cost.

[CSFurious]

go tell that to some Filipino or Indonesian martial artists

the kukri is used in SE Asian martial arts

just because Mr. Migayi's ancestors on Okinawa did not use it to fight the samurai does not make it any less of an Asian martial weapon than the farming implements

the American equivalent would be the Bowie knife

you should research more before you post incorrect statements

Kukri's aren't even martial arts weapons. Just because they are from "Asia", doesn't make them one.

[Drider]

go tell that to some Filipino or Indonesian martial artists

the kukri is used in SE Asian martial arts

just because Mr. Migayi's ancestors on Okinawa did not use it to fight the samurai does not make it any less of an Asian martial weapon than the farming implements

the American equivalent would be the Bowie knife

you should research more before you post incorrect statements

Funny being filipino and having taken some Escrima.. we never used a kukri.. the kris and butterfly knife yes.

The only martial art that I can even thing that uses it.. is Bando.. and that's because the Kukri is like the national knife of Burma and they start carrying the things when they are young.