4 Clerical architypes and how they measure up.

[Strakeln]

Tell ya what, lets pick a exploerer area, Take a screenshot at start and 10 minutes later. (So that # of kill shows so we can calculate easily how many mobs we kill in that 10 minutes)

Youuse yoru Sorc, I'll use my Cleric. and well see how it comes out.

You're getting warmer.

Arcane casters, sorcerers in particular, are capable of causing tremendous amounts of damage in very short amounts of time. The best way to measure this in DDO is against a mob that can stand up to more than 1 or 2 spells - so pretty much raid bosses only. Since conservation of mana has no place in consideration of Damage Per Second, the Reaver is a decent example - essentially unlimited mana.

For sake of argument, let's say that the Reaver behaves exactly as the attacking party would want him to... so for sorcerers, he pretty much just stands in place, whereas he will chase the BB-tossing cleric pretty much non-stop.

In this situation, which character would kill the Reaver first? One run in and out of a blade barrier is 1000HP of damage. Well, during the time it takes the cleric to drag the Reaver in and out of a blade barrier, the sorcerer has him roasting in 10 firewalls, and has dropped 3-6 max'd and empowered spells on him as well. At like 250 points per firewall and 600 points per spell (pretty conservative, really), that's 4300HP of damage from the sorcerer.

So in one "BB round", the cleric has done 1000 points of damage, to the sorcerer's 4300. Convert one "BB round" to seconds and you have damage per second. While these are hypothetical numbers, it's something you can easily prove on your own, just by timing and analyzing combat logs.

I don't disagree with what I think you're trying to get at - that blade barrier is a fantastic way to do tremendous damage for relatively cheap mana cost, arguably one of the most mana-efficient offensive spells in the game. However, your claim that it is the single highest DPS in the game is flat-out incorrect... almost any sorcerer with maximize and empower could easily out-DPS your cleric.

Again, talk Damage Per Spell or Damage Per Mana and you may have an argument. But Damage Per Second is and always has been the realm of the sorcerer.

[Impaqt]

You're getting warmer.

Arcane casters, sorcerers in particular, are capable of causing tremendous amounts of damage in very short amounts of time. The best way to measure this in DDO is against a mob that can stand up to more than 1 or 2 spells - so pretty much raid bosses only. Since conservation of mana has no place in consideration of Damage Per Second, the Reaver is a decent example - essentially unlimited mana.

For sake of argument, let's say that the Reaver behaves exactly as the attacking party would want him to... so for sorcerers, he pretty much just stands in place, whereas he will chase the BB-tossing cleric pretty much non-stop.

In this situation, which character would kill the Reaver first? One run in and out of a blade barrier is 1000HP of damage. Well, during the time it takes the cleric to drag the Reaver in and out of a blade barrier, the sorcerer has him roasting in 10 firewalls, and has dropped 3-6 max'd and empowered spells on him as well. At like 250 points per firewall and 600 points per spell (pretty conservative, really), that's 4300HP of damage from the sorcerer.

So in one "BB round", the cleric has done 1000 points of damage, to the sorcerer's 4300. Convert one "BB round" to seconds and you have damage per second. While these are hypothetical numbers, it's something you can easily prove on your own, just by timing and analyzing combat logs.

I don't disagree with what I think you're trying to get at - that blade barrier is a fantastic way to do tremendous damage for relatively cheap mana cost, arguably one of the most mana-efficient offensive spells in the game. However, your claim that it is the single highest DPS in the game is flat-out incorrect... almost any sorcerer with maximize and empower could easily out-DPS your cleric.

Again, talk Damage Per Spell or Damage Per Mana and you may have an argument. But Damage Per Second is and always has been the realm of the sorcerer.

i disagree. I have soloed the Reaver, and do Significantly mroe than your 1000 ponts of damage "Per BB Round" Tripple that easy on a Non crit and when I crit, Double that.

[Strakeln]

i disagree. I have soloed the Reaver, and do Significantly mroe than your 1000 ponts of damage "Per BB Round" Tripple that easy on a Non crit and when I crit, Double that.

Well, since a "BB round" has been defined as one movement in and out of a blade barrier, and you stated your BB's are doing 500 points per hit non-crit... 2x500=1000, more on a crit.

So either change your numbers to match your argument or change your argument to match your numbers.

Are you following this? You said 500 points per hit, I said a BB round is one movement in and out of a blade barrier (meaning two hits to the mob). There's no way you are doing "triple that easy on a non-crit"... that'd mean you're doing 1500 points per hit of the non-crit blade barrier, which is mathematically impossible.

As I said, you have a great claim for DPM, or sustained DPS. But not raw DPS.