Monks and Improved Trip

[Ghoste]

A few players have said on these forums that in DDO monks do in fact need Combat Expertise (and thus 13int and dex) to get improved trip.

That claim of course differs from PnP where monks can take improved trip as a bonus feat at level 6 regardless of whether they meet the requirements or not.

So the question is: has anyone actually verified that monks can't get improved trip at level 6 without the usual requirements, or is this more of an educated guess based on Turbine giving us more bonus feats and them being available at levels that vary from those stated in PnP?

[Dungnmaster001]

A few players have said on these forums that in DDO monks do in fact need Combat Expertise (and thus 13int and dex) to get improved trip.

That claim of course differs from PnP where monks can take improved trip as a bonus feat at level 6 regardless of whether they meet the requirements or not.

So the question is: has anyone actually verified that monks can't get improved trip at level 6 without the usual requirements, or is this more of an educated guess based on Turbine giving us more bonus feats and them being available at levels that vary from those stated in PnP?

I just logged in and confirmed, Imp trip wasn't available til CE was taken. This wasn't much of a surprise since every other monk feat had to meet prereqs to be selected. Power Attack, Deflect Arrows, Precision, etc. Either it's unintended or they made it that way to balance the fact you have a larger feat selection than PnP. I'm betting on the latter.

[Ghoste]

I just logged in and confirmed, Imp trip wasn't available til CE was taken. This wasn't much of a surprise since every other monk feat had to meet prereqs to be selected. Power Attack, Deflect Arrows, Precision, etc. Either it's unintended or they made it that way to balance the fact you have a larger feat selection than PnP. I'm betting on the latter.

And this is at level 6 that you verified it? I'm just trying to be meticulous about this before I go making a decision on a build.

[Dungnmaster001]

And this is at level 6 that you verified it? I'm just trying to be meticulous about this before I go making a decision on a build.

well, no it wasn't at level 6, however it was listed as a selectable feat as a class bonus feat. DDO isn't following the PnP method of only giving one or two choices at certain levels, you can select them at any level you have a bonus class feat, i.e. deflect arrows or stunning fist at 1st, where deflect arrows shouldn't be an option til 2nd by the book. If they were going to let you pick it without meeting the pre-reqs at level 6, then they need to go back and remove needing pre-reqs on all the other monk bonus feats.

I like this method better since it gives more options though I agree about the pre-reqs. If it were a choice between a larger selection of feats with pre-reqs, and a short list of feats with no pre-reqs, I'd go with the former any time. Having both would be nice but I can understand the reasoning behind the decision.

[Ghoste]

Please re-read the op. The part in red.

I agree, there is very strong evidence to believe they have implemented it as you say. As I've said though, I'm trying to be very meticulous and absolutely certain about this. Speculation, albeit informed speculation, falls short of that.

[Dark-Star]

Yes I have verified it. I am 99.9% sure it was not selectable for me at 6th, I do not have CE.

[Ghoste]

Yes I have verified it. I am 99.9% sure it was not selectable for me at 6th, I do not have CE.

Thank you. It was a small little picky detail, but one that I am happy to know with certainty.

[wolfy42]

I was not available at lvl 6 for any of my monks. Never saw the option once since none of them have had a 13 int.

Even my monk with 1 wizard lvl.