Can Monks..

[Kargon]

Can monks benefit at all from being a WF??

Is there good reason to be WF...

Are nevermer good reasamon to be a walkaming tinker toy, with two exceptimions:

If the windup toy have a built in Tasty Ham heatermer and a yummy milk coolermer built into chest cavimaty,

or if have a shoulder mountamed Halflamaling Bard Cannon.

[Blind_Skwerl]

Are nevermer good reasamon to be a walkaming tinker toy, with two exceptimions:

If the windup toy have a built in Tasty Ham heatermer and a yummy milk coolermer built into chest cavimaty,

or if have a shoulder mountamed Halflamaling Bard Cannon.

Wow. How drunk do you have to be to slur your typing like that?!

[TreknaQudane]

Wow. How drunk do you have to be to slur your typing like that?!

I'm pretty sure that's sober.

I'd imagine Kargon typing drunk would probably be .. normal

[toughguyjoe]

i got it.

Disciple of Abberations.
Pre-req- Wf, Monk lv 10.
While in your Major Abberant Stance, you gain access to a breath weapon. This Breath weapon is usable three times per rest, and the power varies according to this chart:

Monk Level Size/Damage
10-12 15ft. cone of Rust Monsters (cr 6 each)
13-15 60ft. cone containg three Beholders (cr 12 each)
16 120ft. cone of Mind Flayers (cr 14 each)

120ft cone of Mind Flayers(which deal Bludgeoning damage when spewed at your enemies, then are a real PAIN to contend with) is really worth taking a full 16 level of monk as a WF.

[TreknaQudane]

A monk gets natural SR that goes up with their levels. At level 13 they have a 23 SR. And I would think they would have enhancements that would boost that even more. But that is a guess/hope on my part.

Unless they decided to deviate from the rules, a monk should have, starting at level 13, Spell Resistance equal to their monk level + 10

My comments above were using their natural SR.

[coolpenguin410]

Dont even put it in and have the normal "Number of Times per rest" like a barb's rage.

Giving a melee character a pool like a Caster's SP is broken.

Monk already has 3 stats that are very important... Wis, Dex, Str (in that order)

why add a 4th (Con)? And Force the players to take a skill that would normally not be used by a melee character. So you have to have an average Int so you can afford it.

Though this topic has gone away from the "Can a WF make a good Monk".

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm still scratching my head over why it was done this way. But so far, I've leveled my monk on Risia to 3 and besides the clunky mouse-and-keyboard combo, it's worked out pretty well. I'm starting to pick up quite a few the twitch skills I'm sure most the community has mastered already.

As long as I stay in melee, I can spam a special moves every 3 seconds or so, with a finishing move every 4th attack. I'd say I'm able to keep on par with a fighter (who has less clicky-ness to deal with) damage wise. Doing the special attacks as a /rest ability would require having a rather large benefit or large number of times/rest to be equivilently useful.

Per DnD, casters have only ever been the characters who could truly afford to dump CON. Monk's have always been a primarily melee class, meaning CON is important to them. DDO just emphasizes it even more with over inflated damage and mob HP.

As far as being WF monks, with the bonus to CON, immunities, and healing enhancements (WF and Monk enhancments) WF can make VERY good monks. The only downside I see is the -2 WIS, but it's really only going to affect your special attacks' DC and max Ki.

[Echoloc]

I didn't say dump Con.

A nice healthy 10 would be fine just so you don't lose HP per level.

And HP don't matter if you don't get hit.

High Wis and Dex = outlandish AC

Add whatever deflection/armour bracers you can find.... even more outlandish AC

And with the limitations placed by a point buy system you can't afford to have 2 or more stats in the 3 points per stat bump area.

[Hvymetal]

I didn't say dump Con.

A nice healthy 10 would be fine just so you don't lose HP per level.

And HP don't matter if you don't get hit.

High Wis and Dex = outlandish AC

Add whatever deflection/armour bracers you can find.... even more outlandish AC

And with the limitations placed by a point buy system you can't afford to have 2 or more stats in the 3 points per stat bump area.

10 is not a healthy con, not for any class........

[vainangel]

i have to ask...why would you make a WF Female ANYTHING let alone a Monk?

Unless you wanted to be Jamie Lee Curtis or Ru Paul....

Could the WF develop soem traits that set them apart as Male/Female...or just ditch the female WF all together. That is all I can think of. Let alone the wis hit WF take...

[vainangel]

10 is not a healthy con, not for any class........

IN PnP a 10 con was great if you were a caster...
but DDO changes priority...

[Hvymetal]

IN PnP a 10 con was great if you were a caster...
but DDO changes priority...

True, however as has been stated this is not P&P and 10 Con isn;t healthy here unless you like getting one-shotted..

[coolpenguin410]

IN PnP a 10 con was great if you were a caster...
but DDO changes priority...

A CON of 10 is certainly doable...just not for a melee class. I have a halfling thrower rogue that survives fairly well with a CON 10. My CON 10 wiz doesn't get hit often enough to justify a higher (base) CON. Running into melee with a low CON...you'd better be able to gulp potions quickly or micro manage aggro.

That's what WF monks are gonna be though. They're going to be highly durable monks who can wade into the thick of battle, expecially if they take the Way of Mountains enhancements. I would not recommend a CON of 10 unless you plan on making a thrower monk.

[vainangel]

True, however as has been stated this is not P&P and 10 Con isn;t healthy here unless you like getting one-shotted..

unless you have a 10 con and a +6 con item...then you are OK
;p

[Echoloc]

well my twf thief has done rather well with a base 10 con and i can't keep her away from battle. and they have D6 for HP while a monk has D8. not to mention the +20 hp that DDO gives you right off the top for being alive.

unless you have a 10 con and a +6 con item...then you are OK

dont forget the +2 con tome that everyone keeps putting into their builds. like they are standard issue :P


I have better uses for stat points that will keep the character from being hit. And all the HP in the world will not help anybody survive a nasty crit. Keeping that crit from even happening would

[vainangel]

dont forget the +2 con tome that everyone keeps putting into their builds. like they are standard issue :P

Insane I agree. I am not understanding how people get that much plat to spend....

[Ghoste]

unless you have a 10 con and a +6 con item...then you are OK
;p

Debatable...

[vainangel]

Debatable...

not sure how.

[Ghoste]

not sure how.

Simple: more than that is better. You live longer. At level 16 it's a difference of 48 HP and +3 fort save.

You really didn't see how? That's hard to believe...

[vainangel]

Simple: more than that is better. You live longer. At level 16 it's a difference of 48 HP and +3 fort save.

You really didn't see how? That's hard to believe...

uh since that is what i said...no

10 con w/ +6 con item = 16 con

[edit] wait i see what you are sayin...still no

[Ghoste]

uh since that is what i said...no

10 con w/ +6 con item = 16 con

[edit] wait i see what you are sayin...still no

Fair enough. Won't be keeping my eyes open for your monk build though.